# CSGnet Archive **URL:** http://discourse.iapct.org/c/csgnet/76.md [Latest](http://discourse.iapct.org/latest.md) · [Categories](http://discourse.iapct.org/categories.md) · [Tags](http://discourse.iapct.org/tags.md) --- ## [About the CSGnet Archive category](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/about-the-csgnet-archive-category/15456)
**Author:** [@rupert](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/rupert)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 1, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/about-the-csgnet-archive-category/15456 "2020-02-01T16:25:51Z")
This category contains posts from CSGnet, the previous incarnation of this forum, which was hosted on a Sympa listserv at the University of Illinois. There are 29 subcategories, one for each year of CSGnet. There are ar… --- ## [eMail Test](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/email-test/13660)
**Author:** [@FredNickols](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/FredNickols)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [December 7, 2025, 8:22pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/email-test/13660 "2025-12-07T20:22:45Z")
\[From Fred Nickols (2017.06.17.1351 ET)\] I responded to Rupert earlier and my response never made it through so I’m checking to see if this does. No need for anyone to respond; I’m just checking to see if it gets throu… --- ## [Video of presentation at Stanford February 2012+](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/video-of-presentation-at-stanford-february-2012/15987)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [October 31, 2022, 1:27am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/video-of-presentation-at-stanford-february-2012/15987 "2022-10-31T01:27:21Z")
\[Part of this post in the 2012 archive duplicates an email thread from November 2012 that is already in the archive here. Some posts in the thread did not go to CSGnet. (An explicit email list was involved as well.) I ha… --- ## [Emotions construct the world](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/emotions-construct-the-world/3919)
**Author:** [@rupert](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/rupert)\ **Replies:** 15\ **Last updated:** [September 6, 2021, 10:42am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/emotions-construct-the-world/3919 "2021-09-06T10:42:22Z")
\[From Rupert Young (2018.04.22 16.45)\] Some were asking about emotions recently. Here's a quite interesting podcast about emotions that might be of interest as it seems fairly compatible with PCT. Regards, Ruper… --- ## [Celebrating 30 years of CSGnet](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/celebrating-30-years-of-csgnet/15724)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [November 14, 2020, 4:33pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/celebrating-30-years-of-csgnet/15724 "2020-11-14T16:33:37Z")
Continuing a celebration of CSGnet, a 1996 post by Bill. I read here the evolutionary advantage of human culture, its collective-control basis, and a cross-cultural evaluative metric: prevalence of unresolved interperson… --- ## [Clever Deception Unmasked - AprilFool](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/clever-deception-unmasked-aprilfool/56)
**Author:** [@forumControlSystem](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/forumControlSystem)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [September 8, 2019, 4:00pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/clever-deception-unmasked-aprilfool/56 "2019-09-08T16:00:34Z")
It is a fun application of PCT during April among CSGnet: Clever Deception Unmasked - AprilFool Date: Apr 01, 1995 Author: Bruce Abbott To Bill Powers: Bill, I must really hand it to you. You had us all fooled, bu… --- ## [A PCT intro to Business management (BPR & TQM)](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-pct-intro-to-business-management-bpr-tqm/61)
**Author:** [@forumControlSystem](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/forumControlSystem)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [September 8, 2019, 4:12pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-pct-intro-to-business-management-bpr-tqm/61 "2019-09-08T16:12:08Z")
A PCT intro to Business management (BPR & TQM): Subject: Human dimension & Feelings Posts from the archives of BPR-L: Date: 28 May 1994 Author: Dag Forssell Introduction: My professional background is that of engine… --- ## [The Hierarchical Behavior of Perception (Published)](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/the-hierarchical-behavior-of-perception-published/60)
**Author:** [@forumControlSystem](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/forumControlSystem)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [September 8, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/the-hierarchical-behavior-of-perception-published/60 "2019-09-08T16:08:26Z")
A slightly expanded version of this paper was published in Closed Loop, Journal of Living Control Systems , Vol 3 No 4, Fall 1993. For back issues of this journal, see INTROCSG.NET. For Closed Loop restored complete, se… --- ## [Animation Simulation](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/animation-simulation/54)
**Author:** [@forumControlSystem](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/forumControlSystem)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [September 8, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/animation-simulation/54 "2019-09-08T15:54:43Z")
Date: Sep, 1994 Summary: William T. Powers listed out the limitation of current inverse calculation in human behaviour simulations and robotics. In PCT, the behavior of real organisms organisms are equipped with kine… --- ## [Abnormal Physics](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/abnormal-physics/52)
**Author:** [@forumControlSystem](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/forumControlSystem)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [September 8, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/abnormal-physics/52 "2019-09-08T15:50:14Z")
Date: Dec 21, 1993 (9:21 am PST) Summary: Powers describes abnormal physics when “our thoughts and intentions cause the environment to exhibit unlikely relationships and outcomes, none of which would exist if it were … --- ## [Autism, Behaviour-Modification, and PCT: a case brought by a parent](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/autism-behaviour-modification-and-pct-a-case-brought-by-a-parent/57)
**Author:** [@forumControlSystem](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/forumControlSystem)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [September 8, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/autism-behaviour-modification-and-pct-a-case-brought-by-a-parent/57 "2019-09-08T16:02:01Z")
On Autism and Belief Summary: Bill explained to Eileen, a mother of an autistic child, the principle of behavioural modification and made the distinction between behaviourists and control theorists. He outlined ways of… --- ## [Understanding Anxiety](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/understanding-anxiety/11891)
**Author:** [@Evadeh](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Evadeh)\ **Replies:** 16\ **Last updated:** [October 1, 2020, 8:06pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/understanding-anxiety/11891 "2020-10-01T20:06:02Z")
\[From Eva de Hullu (2019.08.02 21:46 CEST) Dear all, I’m thinking about how to explain anxiety from a PCT perspective, and wrote an outline (below) in which my hypothesis is that anxiety happens when a reference valu… --- ## [Power Law re-boot](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/power-law-re-boot/8989)
**Author:** [@rogerkmoore](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/rogerkmoore)\ **Replies:** 32\ **Last updated:** [June 5, 2020, 10:01pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/power-law-re-boot/8989 "2020-06-05T22:01:42Z")
\[Roger Moore 2016.09.15.22.12 BST\] THE MATHEMATICS Equation 8 states that the instantaneous velocity V is a function of the first-derivative of any movement decomposed into X and Y coordinate space. This means that V… --- ## [Definitions of Behavior – Richard Marken](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/definitions-of-behavior-richard-marken/59)
**Author:** [@forumControlSystem](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/forumControlSystem)\ **Replies:** 6\ **Last updated:** [February 16, 2020, 11:20pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/definitions-of-behavior-richard-marken/59 "2020-02-16T23:20:15Z")
Definitions of Behavior – Richard Marken Date: 14 May 1995 Author: Richard Marken Summary: Rick defined behaviour as actions, controlled results and uncontrolled results. Bill added three components: 1. point of view… --- ## [Reminder about twitter.com/iapct](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/reminder-about-twitter-com-iapct/9749)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [January 13, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/reminder-about-twitter-com-iapct/9749 "2020-01-13T20:15:22Z")
An addendum to the board report: Warren IAPCT Twitter account has some excellent exchanges and links: https://twitter.com/iapct Below are suggestions for learning how to use Twitter: https://blog.hubspot.com/marketi… --- ## [IAPCT news](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/iapct-news/5419)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [January 13, 2020, 3:28pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/iapct-news/5419 "2020-01-13T15:28:16Z")
1. IAPCT Conference & Annual Meeting Northwestern University, in Evanston, Illinois, USA. Presentations 7/30-8/02 Basic information is on the Conference tab at http://www.iapct.org, and will be updated there as arra… --- ## [Making Discourse as responsive as CSGNet](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/making-discourse-as-responsive-as-csgnet/6682)
**Author:** [@wmansell](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/wmansell)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [January 11, 2020, 2:13pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/making-discourse-as-responsive-as-csgnet/6682 "2020-01-11T14:13:40Z")
Hi everyone, I don’t know if you’re like me but I find it hard to get as involved in the IAPCT Discourse discussions because I don’t get a prompt email every time someone makes a post. So I’ve set it up so that I do! Her… --- ## [New topic notification - "Agreement & objectivity"](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/new-topic-notification-agreement-objectivity/7647)
**Author:** [@iapct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/iapct)\ **Replies:** 24\ **Last updated:** [January 4, 2020, 7:54am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/new-topic-notification-agreement-objectivity/7647 "2020-01-04T07:54:57Z")
Hello Archivist, You are receiving this notification because you are watching the forum "Agreement & objectivity" at "IAPCT Discussion Board". This forum has received a new topic by ABlaze68 since your last visit, "bu… --- ## [2020 ASC Conference September 15-19, Moscow (Critical January 31st Date!)](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/2020-asc-conference-september-15-19-moscow-critical-january-31st-date/441)
**Author:** [@Richard\_H\_Pfau](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_H_Pfau)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 28, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/2020-asc-conference-september-15-19-moscow-critical-january-31st-date/441 "2019-12-28T23:10:24Z")
Fellow PCTers, For your information in case you would like to present a PCT relevant paper in Moscow at this World Organization of Systems and Cybernetics (WOSC) event. Deadline for submissions is 31 January. The foll… --- ## [Stack exchange](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/stack-exchange/10747)
**Author:** [@PHILIP\_JERAIR\_YERANO](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/PHILIP_JERAIR_YERANO)\ **Replies:** 25\ **Last updated:** [December 27, 2019, 12:52pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/stack-exchange/10747 "2019-12-27T12:52:35Z")
\[Philip Yeranosian 12/16/2019 4:44 pm\] Have any of you posted to stack exchange? Stack exchange is a site where you post questions and people either answer the questions or kill your thread. It’s kind of like the game… --- ## [New topic notification - "Core References"](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/new-topic-notification-core-references/7648)
**Author:** [@iapct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/iapct)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 26, 2019, 11:44pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/new-topic-notification-core-references/7648 "2019-12-26T23:44:56Z")
Hello Archivist, You are receiving this notification because you are watching the forum "Core References" at "IAPCT Discussion Board". This forum has received a new topic by mpoiklklio since your last visit, "Buy (30P… --- ## [New prosthetic limbs go beyond the functional to allow people to ‘feel’ again](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/new-prosthetic-limbs-go-beyond-the-functional-to-allow-people-to-feel-again/7642)
**Author:** [@rsmarken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/rsmarken)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [December 26, 2019, 10:21pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/new-prosthetic-limbs-go-beyond-the-functional-to-allow-people-to-feel-again/7642 "2019-12-26T22:21:31Z")
Yes! ···Richard S. Marken "Perfection is achieved not when you have nothing more to add, but when you have nothing left to take away.â€?                 --Antoine de Saint-Exup… --- ## [New prosthetic limbs go beyond the functi onal to allow people to ‘feel’ again](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/new-prosthetic-limbs-go-beyond-the-functi-onal-to-allow-people-to-feel-again/7640)
**Author:** [@tedcloak](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/tedcloak)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 26, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/new-prosthetic-limbs-go-beyond-the-functi-onal-to-allow-people-to-feel-again/7640 "2019-12-26T17:45:02Z")
Thanks, Rick. “There is no question that knowing PCT could help organize their efforts and make the development of such prostheses much more coherent and efficient.â€? Now, how can we get them to understand this? IOW… --- ## [New prosthetic limbs go beyond the functional to al low people to ‘feel’ again](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/new-prosthetic-limbs-go-beyond-the-functional-to-al-low-people-to-feel-again/7643)
**Author:** [@MartinT](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/MartinT)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 26, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/new-prosthetic-limbs-go-beyond-the-functional-to-al-low-people-to-feel-again/7643 "2019-12-26T16:34:29Z")
\[Martin Taylor 2019.12.26.11.29\] \[Bruce Nevin 20191225.16:30ET\] … It’s pretty clear that updating the BCI is done by training a neural net. The 2018 London/Göttingen hand " interpreted the we… --- ## [New prosthetic limbs go beyond the functional to allow people to ‘feel’ again](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/new-prosthetic-limbs-go-beyond-the-functional-to-allow-people-to-feel-again/7641)
**Author:** [@tedcloak](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/tedcloak)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 24, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/new-prosthetic-limbs-go-beyond-the-functional-to-allow-people-to-feel-again/7641 "2019-12-24T23:12:42Z")
Are these guys applying PCT without knowing it? This was reprinted in today’s Albuquerque Journal. Ted From the Washington Post: ···\[ New prosthetic limbs go beyond the functional to allow people to ‘feel’ aga… --- ## [Origin and development of language](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/origin-and-development-of-language/8034)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 21, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/origin-and-development-of-language/8034 "2019-12-21T20:09:58Z")
I just posted on this topic to discourse.iapct.org. --- ## [9780128189481\_flyer.pdf](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/9780128189481-flyer-pdf/488)
**Author:** [@wmansell](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/wmansell)\ **Replies:** 7\ **Last updated:** [December 18, 2019, 2:56pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/9780128189481-flyer-pdf/488 "2019-12-18T14:56:45Z")
Dear CSG, the pdf version is the one you’ll need - sorry! 9780128189481\_flyer.pdf (123 KB) --- ## [FW: 9780128189481\_flyer.pdf](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/fw-9780128189481-flyer-pdf/4154)
**Author:** [@\_Boris\_Hartman](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/_Boris_Hartman)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 17, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/fw-9780128189481-flyer-pdf/4154 "2019-12-17T17:43:47Z")
Hi Warren, eloquent answer from Bruce Abbott ? Vauu, I'm really interested what that could be ? But all in all I think that you are a jocker he,he... In terms of Jeff (ha,ha) he used Powers theory to explain his own "s… --- ## [Handbook flyer](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/handbook-flyer/5091)
**Author:** [@wmansell](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/wmansell)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [December 14, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/handbook-flyer/5091 "2019-12-14T18:47:20Z")
Dear colleagues, please disseminate & liaise with your university library where you can to make an order! All the best Warren --- ## [Discourse](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/discourse/3530)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 12, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/discourse/3530 "2019-12-12T19:12:05Z")
Friends, I have updated this page on the IAPCT website. http://www.iapct.org/forum/index.html Have a look. Suggestions for improvement are always welcome. /Bruce [Next page](http://discourse.iapct.org/c/csgnet/76.md?page=1)