# CSG1992

**URL:** http://discourse.iapct.org/c/csgnet/csg1992/47.md

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## [About the CSG1992 category](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/about-the-csg1992-category/180)

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**Author:** [@system](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/system)\
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**Last updated:** [February 1, 2020, 11:29am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/about-the-csg1992-category/180 "2020-02-01T11:29:54Z")

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This is an archive of CSGnet posts from 1992.

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## [test](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/test/15154)

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**Author:** [@Human\_Factors\_Lab](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Human_Factors_Lab)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [August 26, 2006, 2:29pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/test/15154 "2006-08-26T14:29:12Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (920505)\] Just a test to see if any mail gets through. I haven't seen things this quiet in a long time. Makes me realize how important it is to have Martin Taylor around. Have a happy cinco de mayo. …

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## [clinical example](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/clinical-example/13311)

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**Author:** [@z\_ganncp](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/z_ganncp)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [September 8, 1999, 3:02pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/clinical-example/13311 "1999-09-08T15:02:13Z")

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I am replying to David Goldstein's recent clinical example. I not only suggested that the man who slept with the babysitter was controlling for sexual gratification but for a higher level perception of controlling hi…

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## [Addiction](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/addiction/878)

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**Author:** [@Henry\_James\_Bicycles](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Henry_James_Bicycles)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [July 3, 1998, 6:01pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/addiction/878 "1998-07-03T18:01:19Z")

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\[From Hank Folson (920616)\] Some anecdotal information on addiction from a conversation on a bicycle ride with a fellow who evaluates drug programs: 1. Crack babies can fully recover, but they need a great deal of tou…

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## [Good data, bad data](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/good-data-bad-data/4841)

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**Author:** [@William\_T\_Powers2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/William_T_Powers2)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [September 5, 1996, 2:25pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/good-data-bad-data/4841 "1996-09-05T14:25:49Z")

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\[From Bill Powers (920624.1500)\] Martin Taylor and Rick Marken and Bill Powers (920624) -- RE: quality of data Yeah, let's pick at this scab a little more, but let's try to minimize the bleeding. Some bleeding, I thi…

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## [Disturbance](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/disturbance/3554)

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**Author:** [@Dag\_Forssell](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Dag_Forssell)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [July 12, 1995, 1:25am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/disturbance/3554 "1995-07-12T01:25:00Z")

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\[From Dag Forssell (920516-1)\] Rick Marken (920513 15:30) The words in caps seem to describe perceptual VARIABLES -- one can perceive degrees of courage, conviction, generosity, etc. How do I derive from the HPCT mo…

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## [learning](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/learning/14138)

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**Author:** [@Mark\_Olson](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Mark_Olson)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [June 30, 1995, 11:50am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/learning/14138 "1995-06-30T11:50:22Z")

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Could someone offer a HPCT definition of learning. I know that learning occurs via reorganization, but that doesn't tell me what it is. Is it a permanent change in reference values? Is it the creation of a new refe…

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## [Levels of perception](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/levels-of-perception/6361)

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**Author:** [@William\_T\_Powers2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/William_T_Powers2)\
**Replies:** 5\
**Last updated:** [March 14, 1995, 12:45pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/levels-of-perception/6361 "1995-03-14T12:45:00Z")

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\[From Bill Powers (920324.0300)\] Copy direct to Mark Olsen, plus CSGnet My address is powers\_d%flc@vaxf.colorado.edu. Between the powers and the d is an underscore (shift hyphen) and between the d and the flc is a per…

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## [Degrees of freedom](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/degrees-of-freedom/3400)

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**Author:** [@\_Martin\_Taylor](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/_Martin_Taylor)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [August 24, 1994, 10:23pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/degrees-of-freedom/3400 "1994-08-24T22:23:50Z")

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\[Martin Taylor 920824 15:40\] (Bill Powers 920824.1100) I think that when you shift types as you go up levels, the degrees-of- freedom problem takes on some new aspects. You already showed how you could get 18 degree…

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## [Degrees of Freedom](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/degrees-of-freedom/3397)

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**Author:** [@\_Gary\_A\_Cziko](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/_Gary_A_Cziko)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [June 9, 1994, 11:43pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/degrees-of-freedom/3397 "1994-06-09T23:43:37Z")

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\[from Gary Cziko 920318\] Martin Taylor 920318 16:30 says: To change the subject: is no-one interested in my argument that the degrees of freedom problem leads to modular reorganization I just got a phone call from …

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## [replies](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/replies/14823)

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**Author:** [@Dag\_Forssell](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Dag_Forssell)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [November 26, 1993, 4:26pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/replies/14823 "1993-11-26T16:26:03Z")

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\[From Dag Forssell (920511.22:45)\] Rick Marken (920511 14:30) What do you mean by "standards"??? In my posts I have tried very hard to make the connection to the Principle level (as detailed in Powers' and Roberts…

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## [clarification](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/clarification/13303)

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**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [October 8, 1993, 8:13pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/clarification/13303 "1993-10-08T20:13:11Z")

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\[From: Bruce Nevin (Fri 920710 13:42:31)\] (Bill Powers (920709.2000) ) -- Neuropeptides: rightly or wrongly, I am using this term in a generic sense. I posted some stuff about work of Candace Pert and others a while…

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## [correction](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/correction/13480)

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**Author:** [@Dag\_Forssell](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Dag_Forssell)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [September 9, 1993, 4:00pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/correction/13480 "1993-09-09T16:00:29Z")

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I was typing on line to MCI mail and a part got left off in reformatting / sending. Here is corrected retransmission. From Dag Forssell \[920326 - 2\] Gary asked about "Tightly coupled". Imagine that you are playing …

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## [Minimisers and Control Systems](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/minimisers-and-control-systems/6972)

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**Author:** [@\_John\_Gabriel](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/_John_Gabriel)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [January 1, 1993, 8:48am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/minimisers-and-control-systems/6972 "1993-01-01T08:48:06Z")

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\[gabriel to powers, but not in reply to new matl.\] Perhpas the following is an example that makes my point that inside minimisers of functions where control theory can be used to hunt for minima, is the following. Su…

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## [HAVE A PLEASANT, PRODUCTIVE AND HAPPY 1993](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/have-a-pleasant-productive-and-happy-1993/4939)

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**Author:** [@CHARLES\_W\_TUCKER5](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/CHARLES_W_TUCKER5)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [January 1, 1993, 3:11am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/have-a-pleasant-productive-and-happy-1993/4939 "1993-01-01T03:11:02Z")

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Dear CSGers, I have enjoyed the conversations and encourage the continuation of of them. Next year I plan a comment on "beliefs" which I think is crucial to the further development of PCT; until PCT can deal with "be…

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## [Bad day at the library](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/bad-day-at-the-library/1536)

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**Author:** [@Human\_Factors\_Lab](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Human_Factors_Lab)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [December 31, 1992, 10:02pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/bad-day-at-the-library/1536 "1992-12-31T22:02:41Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (921231.1400)\] Tom Bourbon (921228 9:23) -- If you want to get an idea of what behavioral ald life science are like without the realization that living things are in a high-gain negative feedbac…

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## [Happy 1993](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/happy-1993/5114)

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**Author:** [@Human\_Factors\_Lab](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Human_Factors_Lab)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [December 31, 1992, 5:15pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/happy-1993/5114 "1992-12-31T17:15:26Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (921231.0900)\] Well, it's pretty quiet out there. It's either the lull at the end of the year of Bill Powers' vax is still down. Anyway, let me be the first to wish Avery Andrews a Happy New Year; s…

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## [unnoticed](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/unnoticed/15329)

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**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [December 30, 1992, 11:46pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/unnoticed/15329 "1992-12-30T23:46:56Z")

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\[From: Bruce Nevin (Wed 921230 15:52:04)\] (Ed Ford (Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:18:04) ) -- Once Mohandas Gandhi was asked by a reporter what he thought of Christian civilization. "I think," he said, "that it would be a ver…

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## [Belief Systems](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/belief-systems/1676)

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**Author:** [@Ed\_Ford1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Ed_Ford1)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [December 30, 1992, 10:47pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/belief-systems/1676 "1992-12-30T22:47:06Z")

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from Ed Ford (921230:1320) (from Bill Powers 921229.2100) It seems to me that before we can have anything approaching sanity on our planet, we must begin to understand how belief systems get formed and how to keep t…

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## [Beliefs/Conflicts](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/beliefs-conflicts/1690)

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**Author:** [@Marken\_Richard\_S1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Marken_Richard_S1)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [December 30, 1992, 9:01pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/beliefs-conflicts/1690 "1992-12-30T21:01:33Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (921230.0900)\] Eileen Prince (921229) I also think that art can stand alone, outside of its political context. Yes, I agree now -- after long years of being amazed by the ridiculous beliefs embrac…

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## [the van Karijan Brandenbergs](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/the-van-karijan-brandenbergs/15222)

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**Author:** [@\_Eileen\_Prince](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/_Eileen_Prince)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [December 30, 1992, 2:02am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/the-van-karijan-brandenbergs/15222 "1992-12-30T02:02:16Z")

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Rick's "confession" about enjoying the performance of a Nazi deserves further comment. What was, I believe, most insidious about the Nazis and about other movements was/is their appeal to the higher and baser emotion…

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## [Jacob and Esau](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/jacob-and-esau/5916)

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**Author:** [@Marken\_Richard\_S1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Marken_Richard_S1)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [December 29, 1992, 7:09pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/jacob-and-esau/5916 "1992-12-29T19:09:51Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (921229.1030) Oded Maler (921229) -- I will have to abandon my academic habits and addictions (reading e-mail, visiting libraries, day-dreaming on some interesting problems, proving some theorems a…

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## [Conflict and Control](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/conflict-and-control/2786)

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**Author:** [@Marken\_Richard\_S1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Marken_Richard_S1)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [December 29, 1992, 6:49pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/conflict-and-control/2786 "1992-12-29T18:49:12Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (921229.0800)\] In an effort to direct the net discussion toward more tangible concerns, I would like to discuss some research I started this weekend on the phenomenon of conflict. Conflict is a uni…

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## [PCT and other disciplines](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/pct-and-other-disciplines/8332)

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**Author:** [@William\_T\_Powers2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/William_T_Powers2)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [December 29, 1992, 2:35pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/pct-and-other-disciplines/8332 "1992-12-29T14:35:04Z")

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\[From Bill Powers (921226.0700 MST)\] Eileen Prince (921225) -- To the limits of my knowledge, and these are great, I am in fact trying to apply PCT; however, it doesn't always help with those who are not of a PCT b…

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## [PCT Fanatics](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/pct-fanatics/8153)

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**Author:** [@Marken\_Richard\_S1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Marken_Richard_S1)\
**Replies:** 7\
**Last updated:** [December 28, 1992, 5:43pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/pct-fanatics/8153 "1992-12-28T17:43:38Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (921223.1300)\] OK, nobody's in the office; I should be home cuddled up by the Christmas tree (yes, I prefer celebrating the apocryphal birth of the prince of peace to the non - apocryphal victory of …

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## [Purpose and Behavior](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/purpose-and-behavior/9285)

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**Author:** [@Marken\_Richard\_S1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Marken_Richard_S1)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [December 28, 1992, 4:34pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/purpose-and-behavior/9285 "1992-12-28T16:34:11Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (921228.0800)\] Here is a little gem I found this morning in the PSYCHOLOQUY Newsletter. The Newsletter comes out at what appears to be random times (Poisson distribution of intervals between posts?) …

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## [Eileen, Theory](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/eileen-theory/3878)

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**Author:** [@Dag\_Forssell](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Dag_Forssell)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [December 28, 1992, 2:46pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/eileen-theory/3878 "1992-12-28T14:46:00Z")

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\[From Dag Forssell (921226 12.00)\] Eileen Prince (921226) Apologies to all. I had meant my last posting to go to Bill but sent it to the entire list instead. This is what the list is for. Bill is not the only …

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## [Theory, Ray, Eileen](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/theory-ray-eileen/11569)

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**Author:** [@Dag\_Forssell](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Dag_Forssell)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [December 27, 1992, 8:05pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/theory-ray-eileen/11569 "1992-12-27T20:05:00Z")

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\[From Dag Forssell (921227 12.00)\] More on theory. As part of an introduction, I would like to briefly show people the prevailing (inadequate) use of the Cartesian dualism. Here is my draft. Comments solicited. ···--…

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## [good news](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/good-news/13898)

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**Author:** [@Ed\_Ford1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Ed_Ford1)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [December 27, 1992, 7:57pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/good-news/13898 "1992-12-27T19:57:35Z")

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from Ed Ford (921227:1300) To CSGnetters who've expressed an interest in my TV show for their area, here are the other stations (not mentioned in my 921224 letter) who've expressed an interest in using my show. SOCA …

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## [Generative models vs generative grammar](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/generative-models-vs-generative-grammar/4712)

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**Author:** [@William\_T\_Powers2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/William_T_Powers2)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [December 27, 1992, 2:25pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/generative-models-vs-generative-grammar/4712 "1992-12-27T14:25:49Z")

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\[From Bill Powers (921227.0700)\] Trying to squeeze another post in before the system goes down for three days. Eileen Prince (921227) -- Omigod, another usage for "generative" that I had overlooked. In theory pure …

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