# CSG1994 **URL:** http://discourse.iapct.org/c/csgnet/csg1994/49.md [Latest](http://discourse.iapct.org/latest.md) · [Categories](http://discourse.iapct.org/categories.md) · [Tags](http://discourse.iapct.org/tags.md) --- ## [About the CSG1994 category](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/about-the-csg1994-category/182)
**Author:** [@system](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/system)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 1, 2020, 11:29am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/about-the-csg1994-category/182 "2020-02-01T11:29:54Z")
This is an archive of CSGnet posts from 1994. --- ## [Applied PCT](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/applied-pct/1211)
**Author:** [@Dag\_Forssell](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Dag_Forssell)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [June 10, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/applied-pct/1211 "2015-06-10T18:51:55Z")
\[From Dag Forssell (940518 1300)\] I really appreciate the recent posts on violence and today's essay on the power curve. These posts deal squarely with what we can learn from PCT and use in our daily lives. Yesterda… --- ## [Cooperation](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/cooperation/3127)
**Author:** [@Dag\_Forssell](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Dag_Forssell)\ **Replies:** 38\ **Last updated:** [December 7, 2014, 8:19pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/cooperation/3127 "2014-12-07T20:19:14Z")
\[From Dag Forssell (940414 1700)\] Rick Marken (940414.1245)\] I have no idea what "unfounded accusations" I made. It would be much easier for me to deal with this if you told me what accusations I made that were un… --- ## [Sequence control](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/sequence-control/10382)
**Author:** [@Marken\_Richard\_S1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Marken_Richard_S1)\ **Replies:** 6\ **Last updated:** [July 9, 2013, 2:44pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/sequence-control/10382 "2013-07-09T14:44:46Z")
\[From Rick Marken (940527.1500)\] Tom Bourbon (940527.1350) -- We are about to use this sequential control task with some neurological patients. The clinicians say it seems to have face validity, in that suchpatient… --- ## [apology](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/apology/13076)
**Author:** [@Dag\_Forssell](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Dag_Forssell)\ **Replies:** 2\ **Last updated:** [May 27, 2007, 4:28pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/apology/13076 "2007-05-27T16:28:38Z")
\[From Dag Forssell (940414 2230) Rick Marken (940414.2000)\] Well, you wanted a discussion of applied PCT and this is it -- in spades. You win. I have overstated my case because I got angry, which I did because… --- ## [Feedback](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/feedback/4322)
**Author:** [@Richard\_Thurman1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Thurman1)\ **Replies:** 29\ **Last updated:** [December 20, 2005, 8:29pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/feedback/4322 "2005-12-20T20:29:30Z")
\[From Richard Thurman (940217.1115)\] The listserv keeps rejecting this message & I keep sending it. If it already showed up on CSG-L then I apologize for the duplication. Gary Cziko (940215.1520 GMT) said:-- I'm n… --- ## [Gestalt](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/gestalt/4722)
**Author:** [@Paul\_George](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Paul_George)\ **Replies:** 11\ **Last updated:** [December 3, 2004, 10:00pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/gestalt/4722 "2004-12-03T22:00:47Z")
\[Paul George 940715 10:30\] From Tom Bourbon \[940714.1750\] Me: Perhaps you should give me your definition of 'gestalt'. Ah, it ws \_you\_ who introduced the term into the discussion. I've called \_your\_ hand. S… --- ## [Multiplexing](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/multiplexing/7410)
**Author:** [@\_Martin\_Taylor](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/_Martin_Taylor)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [September 27, 2000, 9:43pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/multiplexing/7410 "2000-09-27T21:43:00Z")
\[Martin Taylor 940727 16:00\] Bill Powers (940722.0510 MDT) Martin Taylor (940721.1100)-- Multiplexing is just one kind of sequencing of control processes at lower levels. Is there another kind? Yes, sequen… --- ## [Perception and reality](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/perception-and-reality/8716)
**Author:** [@Marken\_Richard\_S1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Marken_Richard_S1)\ **Replies:** 8\ **Last updated:** [October 14, 1998, 6:26pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/perception-and-reality/8716 "1998-10-14T18:26:20Z")
\[From Rick Marken (940912.0900)\] Bill Leach (940911.09:18 EST) -- 1. An organism's perception of the external world IS the external world to that organism . . . Bruce Buchanan (940911.22:30 EDT) -- I still fi… --- ## [Program Control](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/program-control/9146)
**Author:** [@Marken\_Richard\_S1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Marken_Richard_S1)\ **Replies:** 9\ **Last updated:** [July 28, 1998, 10:44am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/program-control/9146 "1998-07-28T10:44:58Z")
\[From Rick Marken (940615.0900)\] Bob Clark (940614.2205 EDT) -- Your demonstration of controlling programs by simply pressing buttons was neat! Thanks :slight\_smile: YOU (not some modelled version of you), pushed… --- ## [A Modest Suggestion](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-modest-suggestion/548)
**Author:** [@Bruce\_Buchanan1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bruce_Buchanan1)\ **Replies:** 8\ **Last updated:** [December 22, 1997, 5:23pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-modest-suggestion/548 "1997-12-22T17:23:18Z")
\[From Bruce Buchanan (940907.20:10 EDT)\] Some recent discussion leads me to make "a modest suggestion", which I must preface with some background. In various GSG publications the thesis of PCT has been stated in the f… --- ## [Understanding PCT](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/understanding-pct/11894)
**Author:** [@Edward\_E\_Ford](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Edward_E_Ford)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [October 18, 1996, 8:09pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/understanding-pct/11894 "1996-10-18T20:09:49Z")
From Ed Ford (940516.0930) Since January, I have been working hard on my latest book, Discipline For Home And School. Bill was kind enough to write the foreword, after insisting I do a little more thinking. Both … --- ## [Model-based control](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/model-based-control/7085)
**Author:** [@Mark\_William\_Olson](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Mark_William_Olson)\ **Replies:** 9\ **Last updated:** [July 17, 1996, 1:55am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/model-based-control/7085 "1996-07-17T01:55:47Z")
I'm not sure what you mean by imagined perceptions since in my post I was suggesting that all perceptions are imagined unless sense data constrain it. But perhaps I need to think about what levels possess this charac… --- ## [Controlling uncertainty](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/controlling-uncertainty/3104)
**Author:** [@Marken\_Richard\_S1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Marken_Richard_S1)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [June 25, 1996, 7:35pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/controlling-uncertainty/3104 "1996-06-25T19:35:25Z")
\[From Rick Marken (940526.1030)\] Bill Powers (940525.1630 MDT) and (940526.0700 MDT) -- Some very excellent points, the heart of all of them being summed up, I believe, in this nice comment. I think there's some mis… --- ## [questions](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/questions/14708)
**Author:** [@William\_T\_Powers2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/William_T_Powers2)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [October 26, 1995, 5:03pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/questions/14708 "1995-10-26T17:03:28Z")
\[From Bill Powers (940714.1645 MDT)\] Paul George (940714.1140) -- I'm glad Rick asked about E, what we call "the disturbance." The disturbance represents the class of independent environmental variables that can act … --- ## [Competition](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/competition/2714)
**Author:** [@Marken\_Richard\_S1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Marken_Richard_S1)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [September 5, 1995, 5:14am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/competition/2714 "1995-09-05T05:14:30Z")
\[From Rick Marken (940901.1220)\] Bill Leach (940831.21:12 EST) -- "Big business" can be good but (particularly in my lifetime) such business is far more interested in "protecting itself" against competition and espe… --- ## [World models](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/world-models/12603)
**Author:** [@\_Martin\_Taylor](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/_Martin_Taylor)\ **Replies:** 2\ **Last updated:** [September 1, 1995, 4:06pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/world-models/12603 "1995-09-01T16:06:04Z")
\ Bill Powers (940221.0930 MST) Martin Taylor (940221.0945) (1) Exaggeration in the use of the words "world model." The "world" in question is the world relevant to the ECS in quest… --- ## [Can't get no respect](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/cant-get-no-respect/2318)
**Author:** [@Marken\_Richard\_S1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Marken_Richard_S1)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [August 28, 1995, 8:58pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/cant-get-no-respect/2318 "1995-08-28T20:58:01Z")
\[From Rick Marken (940414.1245)\] Dag Forssell (940414 1030) -- I appreciate that you have now retracted all of your unfounded accusations. I have no idea what "unfounded accusations" I made. It would be much easier … --- ## [Happy New Year of definitive PCT research to all](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/happy-new-year-of-definitive-pct-research-to-all/5138)
**Author:** [@CHARLES\_W\_TUCKER2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/CHARLES_W_TUCKER2)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [January 1, 1995, 2:43am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/happy-new-year-of-definitive-pct-research-to-all/5138 "1995-01-01T02:43:12Z")
FROM CHUCK TUCKER 941231 May the new year bring forth an overwhelming number of research studies which will demonstrate with little doubt that PCT is the model to to be used to explai… --- ## [research methods, RC controls, selection by consequences'](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/research-methods-rc-controls-selection-by-consequences/14848)
**Author:** [@William\_T\_Powers2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/William_T_Powers2)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 31, 1994, 9:06pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/research-methods-rc-controls-selection-by-consequences/14848 "1994-12-31T21:06:20Z")
\[From Bill Powers (941231.1235 MST)\] Bruce Abbott (941230.1700 EST) -- RE: methodology Your use of standard methods is, of course, completely correct where they apply: Being a quantitatively minded scientist, I… --- ## [Research Methods Addendum](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/research-methods-addendum/9861)
**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 31, 1994, 7:15am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/research-methods-addendum/9861 "1994-12-31T07:15:11Z")
\[From Rick Marken (941230.2320)\] Bruce Abbott (941230.1700 EST) -- I should note that I am aware that your example of using the IV-DV method to study the relationship between the RC transmitter stick and angles of th… --- ## [Research Methods](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/research-methods/9860)
**Author:** [@Abbott\_Bruce\_Indiana](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Abbott_Bruce_Indiana)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [December 31, 1994, 4:43am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/research-methods/9860 "1994-12-31T04:43:12Z")
\[From Bruce Abbott (941230.1700 EST)\] Rick Marken (941229.2045)\] Me: The operant research you are planning with Bill will give us all an opportunity to see whether rats are really controlled by food pellets or … --- ## [Going down](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/going-down/4807)
**Author:** [@William\_T\_Powers2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/William_T_Powers2)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 29, 1994, 11:37pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/going-down/4807 "1994-12-29T23:37:35Z")
From Bill Powers -- Our mainframe will be down Friday and Saturday. I'll try to read mail early tomorrow morning, but won't be able to reply very soon. WTP --- ## [reorganization, operant project](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/reorganization-operant-project/14812)
**Author:** [@William\_T\_Powers2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/William_T_Powers2)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 29, 1994, 11:36pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/reorganization-operant-project/14812 "1994-12-29T23:36:03Z")
\[From Bill Powers (941229.1500 MST)\] Martin Taylor (941229.1430) -- I thought I was trying to solve the problem you pose. Yes, there is a "goal in the hierarchy." It is to keep the intrinsic variables at their ref… --- ## [Models and Programs](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/models-and-programs/7155)
**Author:** [@Abbott\_Bruce\_Indiana](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Abbott_Bruce_Indiana)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 29, 1994, 10:22pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/models-and-programs/7155 "1994-12-29T22:22:43Z")
\[From Bruce Abbott (941229.1710 EST)\] I've been trying to unravel how I got into such semantic difficulty with my simple "evolution" model. My intention had been to provide a simple example of random variation and en… --- ## [Operant Project](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/operant-project/7998)
**Author:** [@Abbott\_Bruce\_Indiana](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Abbott_Bruce_Indiana)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 29, 1994, 8:33pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/operant-project/7998 "1994-12-29T20:33:22Z")
\[From Bruce Abbott (941229.1530 EST)\] Bill Powers (941227.1500 MST) Bill, your suggestion for encoding the operant data sounds like a good approach; I'll work up a program for running the experiment within the next … --- ## [A mature admission of error](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-mature-admission-of-error/674)
**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 29, 1994, 6:44pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-mature-admission-of-error/674 "1994-12-29T18:44:39Z")
\[From RIck Marken (941229.1045)\] Martin Taylor (941228.1620), imitating my younger brother Larry, says: Then get Rick to fix up his, too. I'll add whatever he does. "Papa" Bill Powers (941229.0800 MST) replies: H… --- ## [Modeling Reorganization](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/modeling-reorganization/7107)
**Author:** [@Abbott\_Bruce\_Indiana](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Abbott_Bruce_Indiana)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [December 29, 1994, 6:25am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/modeling-reorganization/7107 "1994-12-29T06:25:32Z")
\[From Bruce Abbott (941228.1255 EST)\] Rick Marken (941227.1115) -- Rick, I've already replied to Bill on the issues you raise concerning my "evolution" model, so I won't repeat myself here. But I would like to rais… --- ## [Selection by consequences strikes out, again.](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/selection-by-consequences-strikes-out-again/10326)
**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 29, 1994, 4:45am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/selection-by-consequences-strikes-out-again/10326 "1994-12-29T04:45:16Z")
\[From Rick Marken (941228.2045)\] Bruce Abbott (941228.1150 EST) -- Given that reference, the consequences determine what will happen on the next loop of the program. This is all that I mean by "selection by consequ… --- ## [control by consequences; controlled evolution](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/control-by-consequences-controlled-evolution/13415)
**Author:** [@William\_T\_Powers2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/William_T_Powers2)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [December 28, 1994, 6:55pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/control-by-consequences-controlled-evolution/13415 "1994-12-28T18:55:28Z")
\[From Bill Powers (941228.1030 MST)\] Bruce Abbott (941228.1150 EST) -- Selection, as I said in my post (941227.1000 EST), is done by the program (in the IF DEAD statement) and not by the consequences. Good, we're i… [Next page](http://discourse.iapct.org/c/csgnet/csg1994/49.md?page=1)