# CSG1996

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## [Descriptions, theories, and facts](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/descriptions-theories-and-facts/3446)

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**Author:** [@Bruce\_Abbott](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bruce_Abbott)\
**Replies:** 15\
**Last updated:** [November 28, 1996, 9:34am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/descriptions-theories-and-facts/3446 "1996-11-28T09:34:36Z")

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\[From Bruce Abbott (961124.1140)\] Bill Powers (961123.1345 MST) Bruce Abbott (961123.1405 EST) That's why I want to leave out the "functional:" it asserts a causal relationship by saying that operant rate is…

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## [A rose by another name . . .](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-rose-by-another-name/724)

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**Author:** [@Bruce\_Abbott](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bruce_Abbott)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [November 28, 1996, 9:34am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-rose-by-another-name/724 "1996-11-28T09:34:32Z")

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\[From Bruce Abbott (961127.1800 EST)\] Bill Powers (961127.1440 MST) -- Rick Marken (961127.1220)-- How do we objectively evaluate the goodness of fit between a model's behavior and real behavior? How a…

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## [\[What?\] learning proposal](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/what-learning-proposal/12766)

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**Author:** [@CCHERPAS](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/CCHERPAS)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [November 28, 1996, 9:34am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/what-learning-proposal/12766 "1996-11-28T09:34:28Z")

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\[From Chris Cherpas (961127.1835 PST) \] \[re: Bruce Abbott (961127.2010 EST)\] Bruce Abbott (961127.2010 EST) I do have in the back of my mind the idea that the failure of the old act to "produce" would lead to the …

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## [Questions 'n answers](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/questions-n-answers/9374)

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**Author:** [@Bruce\_Abbott](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bruce_Abbott)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [November 27, 1996, 11:41pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/questions-n-answers/9374 "1996-11-27T23:41:33Z")

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\[From Bruce Abbott (961127.1840 EST)\] Rick Marken (961127.1220) -- Bruce Abbott (961126.0900 EST) How do you select remembered reference specifications for perceptions? I don't know. How were you able …

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## [Theories,  Darth, Schedules (from cc)](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/theories-darth-schedules-from-cc/11561)

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**Author:** [@CCHERPAS](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/CCHERPAS)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [November 27, 1996, 7:29pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/theories-darth-schedules-from-cc/11561 "1996-11-27T19:29:24Z")

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\[From Chris Cherpas (961126.1613 PST)\] Goal 2000: Shouldn't the time-tag for CSGNet posts use a 4-digit year (e.g., 19961126)? Disclaimer/cop-out: There have been so many posts lately on schedules of reinforcement th…

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## [Darth Vader speaks again](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/darth-vader-speaks-again/3333)

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**Author:** [@Bruce\_Abbott](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bruce_Abbott)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [November 27, 1996, 7:09pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/darth-vader-speaks-again/3333 "1996-11-27T19:09:55Z")

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\[From Bruce Abbott (961127.1135 EST)\] Bill Powers (961126.0800 MST) -- Bruce Abbott (961126.0825 EST) Other schedules (e.g., interval schedules) do not promote such high rates. Fixed interval schedules produc…

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## [Statistical evaluation problem](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/statistical-evaluation-problem/10775)

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**Author:** [@Bill\_Powers1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Powers1)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [November 27, 1996, 2:49pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/statistical-evaluation-problem/10775 "1996-11-27T14:49:40Z")

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\[From Bill Powers (961126.1200 MST)\] I have a problem that people on CSGnet might be able to help me solve. How do we objectively evaluate the goodness of fit between a model's behavior and real behavior? For years w…

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## [Learning disposal](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/learning-disposal/6276)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [November 26, 1996, 9:43pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/learning-disposal/6276 "1996-11-26T21:43:24Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (961126.1330)\] Bruce Abbott (961126.1215 EST)-- Yes, it \[the reward model\] does have a number of gaps -- I've only begun to develop it. It requires that I suggest specific mechanisms, such as one t…

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## [Darth Vader speaks](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/darth-vader-speaks/3332)

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**Author:** [@Bruce\_Abbott](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bruce_Abbott)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [November 26, 1996, 5:19pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/darth-vader-speaks/3332 "1996-11-26T17:19:14Z")

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\[From Bruce Abbott (961125.1650 EST)\] Bill Powers (961124.2330 MST) -- And one warning, Darth Abbott. It will avail you nothing to reveal to me that you are my father. Bill Powers (961124.2355 MST) -- I feel …

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## [Alice B. Skinner](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/alice-b-skinner/944)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [November 26, 1996, 12:01am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/alice-b-skinner/944 "1996-11-26T00:01:40Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (961125.1600)\] Me: The problems with your little story are so basic that it is impossible for me to deal with them (given my current level of immaturity) with anything other \>than sarcasm;-) Bruc…

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## [Alice in Markenland](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/alice-in-markenland/947)

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**Author:** [@Bruce\_Abbott](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bruce_Abbott)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [November 25, 1996, 8:41pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/alice-in-markenland/947 "1996-11-25T20:41:23Z")

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\[From Bruce Abbott (961125.1540 EST)\] Rick Marken (961125.0820) -- I resort to sarcasm as an alternative to going over basic PCT with someone who has been on CSGNet for over two years. Your little story is incorrec…

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## [Vancouver's experiment](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/vancouvers-experiment/12063)

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**Author:** [@Jeff\_Vancouver](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Jeff_Vancouver)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [November 25, 1996, 6:15pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/vancouvers-experiment/12063 "1996-11-25T18:15:38Z")

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\[from Jeff Vancouver 961125.09:55 EST\] Well I tried to program the spiral experiment using Visual Basic. I was completely unsuccessful. I stopped when I could not figure out how to record the X and Y coordinates of …

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## [Alice in Behaviorismland](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/alice-in-behaviorismland/946)

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**Author:** [@Marken\_Richard\_S](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Marken_Richard_S)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [November 25, 1996, 4:17pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/alice-in-behaviorismland/946 "1996-11-25T16:17:00Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (961125.0820)\] Bruce Abbott (961124.0940 EST) to me: Evidently you resort to sarcasm when you don't have a reasoned response available. If my nice little story is incorrect, how about proving it? …

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## [Rewards in PCT](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/rewards-in-pct/9969)

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**Author:** [@Bruce\_Abbott](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bruce_Abbott)\
**Replies:** 7\
**Last updated:** [November 25, 1996, 2:18pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/rewards-in-pct/9969 "1996-11-25T14:18:07Z")

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\[From Bruce Abbott (961124.1020 EST)\] Tracy Harms (961123.14 MST) Bruce Abbott (961123.1405 EST) All that has been said is that delivering pellets contingent on lever-pressing is associated with an increased …

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## [Memory switch](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/memory-switch/6911)

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**Author:** [@Jeff\_Vancouver](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Jeff_Vancouver)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [November 25, 1996, 2:17pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/memory-switch/6911 "1996-11-25T14:17:01Z")

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\[from Jeff Vancouver 961125.0920 EST\] \>From Stefan Balke (961122.1015 CET) Jeff Vancouver 961119.15:30 EST --- \>Hence,to this thread I would note that my model (simulation) of the mastermind \>game that I sent to Bil…

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## [Predicting maintenance of behavior](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/predicting-maintenance-of-behavior/9068)

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**Author:** [@Bill\_Powers1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Powers1)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [November 25, 1996, 7:43am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/predicting-maintenance-of-behavior/9068 "1996-11-25T07:43:37Z")

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\[From Bill Powers (961124.2330 MST)\] Bruce Abbott (96112x) -- Well, I gave it a rest, about 3 hours. I woke up with my brain nudging me on the shoulder, saying "Wake up, stupid." It was all very messy, but I'm back t…

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## [Acting up](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/acting-up/845)

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**Author:** [@Bruce\_Abbott](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bruce_Abbott)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [November 24, 1996, 2:40pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/acting-up/845 "1996-11-24T14:40:24Z")

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\[From Bruce Abbott (961124.0940 EST)\] Rick Marken (961123.1935) -- Oh. So \_that's\_ how it works. Thanks for the nice story. Yep. It looks like PCT really does explain how rewards select acts;-) (Sigh.) That isn…

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## [Periodicity](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/periodicity/8797)

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**Author:** [@Bill\_Powers1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Powers1)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [November 24, 1996, 2:09pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/periodicity/8797 "1996-11-24T14:09:59Z")

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\[From Bill Powes (961124.0645 MST)\] Tracy Harms (19961123.22 MST) -- What does PCT say regarding periodic behavior? Yes, I can see how it can always be mapped as instrumental to a (relatively?) stable reference lev…

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## [Perspectives](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/perspectives/8811)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [October 28, 1996, 4:48pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/perspectives/8811 "1996-10-28T16:48:49Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (961028.0850)\] Hans Blom (961028) to Bill Powers (961025.0830 MDT) -- I present a different, additional perspective on one and the same thing ...PCT offers an ADDITIONAL perspective, which I do not …

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## [Answering Questions, Suggestions for Bill](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/answering-questions-suggestions-for-bill/1151)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [October 27, 1996, 8:47pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/answering-questions-suggestions-for-bill/1151 "1996-10-27T20:47:10Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (961027.1245)\] I just thought of something else that I should have mentioned in response to the following from Bill Benzon: And I am stunned that you really seem to think that PCT has an answer for …

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## [What we can see in the light of flames](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/what-we-can-see-in-the-light-of-flames/12333)

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**Author:** [@Bill\_Powers1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Powers1)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [October 27, 1996, 2:50pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/what-we-can-see-in-the-light-of-flames/12333 "1996-10-27T14:50:05Z")

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\[From Bill Powers (961027.0500 MDT)\] Bill Benzon -- I am stunned that you really seem to think that PCT has an answer for everything, or at least an answer that beats all commers past present and future. That's ridi…

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## [Birth Order and PCT?](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/birth-order-and-pct/1827)

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**Author:** [@Bruce\_Gregory](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bruce_Gregory)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [October 27, 1996, 12:14pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/birth-order-and-pct/1827 "1996-10-27T12:14:04Z")

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{From Bruce Gregory (961027.0710 EST)\] Frank Sulloway's new book, \_Born to Rebel: Birth Order, Family Dynamics, and Creative Lives\_ is filled with information on scientific "revolutions" and well worth reading. What, …

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## [Why have you given-up on your ideas?](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/why-have-you-given-up-on-your-ideas/12508)

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**Author:** [@Bill\_Benzon](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Benzon)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [October 25, 1996, 10:05pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/why-have-you-given-up-on-your-ideas/12508 "1996-10-25T22:05:42Z")

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Rick Marken (961025.1020) sez: Bill Benzon: Hmmm...I might be interested in publishing those experiements \[on control of sequence and program variables\]...The only issue is whether or not the work is appropriate to…

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## [Secret Handshakes, Mathematical Mumbo Jumbo](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/secret-handshakes-mathematical-mumbo-jumbo/10306)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [October 25, 1996, 5:20pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/secret-handshakes-mathematical-mumbo-jumbo/10306 "1996-10-25T17:20:54Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (961025.1020)\] Bill Benzon: Hmmm...I might be interested in publishing those experiements \[on control of sequence and program variables\]...The only issue is whether or not the work is appropriate t…

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## [Horse's-mouth neigh](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/horses-mouth-neigh/5294)

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**Author:** [@\_Martin\_Taylor](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/_Martin_Taylor)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [October 25, 1996, 3:01pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/horses-mouth-neigh/5294 "1996-10-25T15:01:22Z")

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\[Martin Taylor 961024 18:30\] Bruce Gregory (961024.1525 EDT) to Rick Marken (961024.1320) Hmmm. At least one of us is wrong. Only Martin knows which one. Well, let the neigh-sayer weigh the question. Because I t…

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## [Neurophysiology of perception](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/neurophysiology-of-perception/7564)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken)\
**Replies:** 14\
**Last updated:** [October 25, 1996, 12:57pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/neurophysiology-of-perception/7564 "1996-10-25T12:57:38Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (961096.1045)\] Me: can you give me any reason to believe that there is something in the neural literature that would help me understand perceptual control? Benzon: Give you RM a reason? If I ha…

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## [mutuality and congregation](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/mutuality-and-congregation/14359)

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**Author:** [@\_Martin\_Taylor](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/_Martin_Taylor)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [October 25, 1996, 3:04am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/mutuality-and-congregation/14359 "1996-10-25T03:04:36Z")

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\[Martin Taylor 961023 14:40\] Bill Powers (961022.1430 MDT) to ?Bill Benzon ?somedate Why would single cells congregate and like to be in each other's close neighborhood? Because that provides a selective advantag…

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## [Vacuity, Obfuscation and Cluelessness](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/vacuity-obfuscation-and-cluelessness/12047)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [October 24, 1996, 10:23pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/vacuity-obfuscation-and-cluelessness/12047 "1996-10-24T22:23:54Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (961024.1320)\] Bill Benzon (961023) to Bill Powers -- Sure, what I've said is as deep into armwaving as the upper levels of your stack. And when Rick Marken applauds Pythagoras for his contribution…

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## [Martin's theories](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/martins-theories/6786)

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**Author:** [@\_Martin\_Taylor](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/_Martin_Taylor)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [October 24, 1996, 10:09pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/martins-theories/6786 "1996-10-24T22:09:03Z")

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\[Martin Taylor 961017 14:50\] Rick Marken (961017.1100) Anyway, all I meant to do in the post where I said: After reading Martin's (961015 11:30) reply to me, I realized that Martin's approach to developing a theo…

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## [Chaos](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/chaos/2453)

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**Author:** [@Bruce\_Gregory10](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bruce_Gregory10)\
**Replies:** 8\
**Last updated:** [October 24, 1996, 9:46pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/chaos/2453 "1996-10-24T21:46:29Z")

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\[From Bruce Gregory (960314.1730 GMT) Bill Powers 960314.0100 I believe that this view of natural processes has been superseded since the chaotic nature of the world was recognized, and here I refer only to …

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