# CSG2000

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## [case histories](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/case-histories/13218)

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**Author:** [@Program\_on\_Negotiati](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Program_on_Negotiati)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [October 30, 2000, 12:49pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/case-histories/13218 "2000-10-30T12:49:18Z")

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Dear Mr. Nevin, The cases, or role simulations that are published by the Program on Negotiation are just that - simulations. Many of the books should discuss actual negotiations however. The books cover various area…

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## [scientific conflict](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/scientific-conflict/14928)

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**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\
**Replies:** 14\
**Last updated:** [October 29, 2000, 7:04am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/scientific-conflict/14928 "2000-10-29T07:04:08Z")

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\[From Bruce Nevin (2000.10.26.1832 EDT)\] Rick Marken (2000.10.18.1020)-- \> The \_only\_ solution to interpersonal conflict may be conflict \> avoidance. Bruce Nevin (2000.10.18.1604 EDT) -- \> I suggest a study of \_Gett…

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## [problem solving](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/problem-solving/14671)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken2)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [October 28, 2000, 6:06am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/problem-solving/14671 "2000-10-28T06:06:49Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (2000.10.27.1500)\] Bruce Nevin (2000.10.27.1717 EDT)-- 1. The Insurance Adjuster is controlling to close the current case... Obviously, a great deal of detail of the hierarchy between e.g. Haggle…

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## [is win-win possible?](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/is-win-win-possible/14086)

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**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [October 26, 2000, 11:14am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/is-win-win-possible/14086 "2000-10-26T11:14:42Z")

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\[From Bruce Nevin (2000.10.25. EDT)\] Bill Curry (2000.10.20.1000 EDT)– I would take issue with your phrase “less than” because it depicts conflict negotiation as an inevitable win-lose process. Rick Marken (2000.10…

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## [TCP's economics book](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/tcps-economics-book/10962)

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**Author:** [@Chris\_Cherpas](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Chris_Cherpas)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [October 24, 2000, 2:11pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/tcps-economics-book/10962 "2000-10-24T14:11:13Z")

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\[From Chris Cherpas (2000.10.23.2350 PT)\] I'm interested in TCP's economics book. What is the title and where might one purchase a copy? Best regards, cc ps: In looking back over a quick comment I recently made ab…

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## [Profilling and casting nets](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/profilling-and-casting-nets/9142)

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**Author:** [@Dick\_Robertson](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Dick_Robertson)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [October 19, 2000, 8:25pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/profilling-and-casting-nets/9142 "2000-10-19T20:25:31Z")

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\[From Dick Robertson,2000,10,19,1520CDT\] Weeding out a stack of old magazines I came across an article, "Just doing our job, anatomy of a media lynching," (Brill's CONTENT, Aprill, 2000, p.86ff.) about the "media lync…

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## [Modeling (was  block diagrams)](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/modeling-was-block-diagrams/7097)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken2)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [October 15, 2000, 2:36am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/modeling-was-block-diagrams/7097 "2000-10-15T02:36:25Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (2000.10.14.1840)\] Bruce Gregory (2000.1013.1423)-- In my understanding you can always construct a tentative HPCT model to explain why and how you are controlling a particular perception. That mode…

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## [Economics errata](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/economics-errata/3835)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken2)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [October 11, 2000, 3:01pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/economics-errata/3835 "2000-10-11T15:01:54Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (2000.10.11.08o5)\] In Rick Marken (2000.10.10.1812) I said: According to the model, unemployment is relatively high now for the same reason that growth is relatively high: low leakage. Of course, …

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## [Mary & Bill out of town](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/mary-bill-out-of-town/6795)

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**Author:** [@Bill\_Powers1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Powers1)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [October 10, 2000, 1:18pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/mary-bill-out-of-town/6795 "2000-10-10T13:18:08Z")

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\[From Bill Powers (2000.10.10.0714 MDT)\] Hello, all. Mary and I will be in the Boulder-Denver area for the next 10 days to two weeks. We may be a little erratic in reading and answering e-mail. Best, Bill P.

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## [Pleasure (was Re: Brown and Herrnstein)](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/pleasure-was-re-brown-and-herrnstein/8901)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken2)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [October 9, 2000, 2:41pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/pleasure-was-re-brown-and-herrnstein/8901 "2000-10-09T14:41:55Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (2000.10.09.0745)\] Bruce Abbott (2000.10.08.1920 EST)-- So what you are claiming is that all those pleasurable and unpleasurable things you wrote about evoke no feelings in you of pleasure or displ…

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## [Friendships and apologies](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/friendships-and-apologies/4576)

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**Author:** [@Ray\_Merry\_Bennett](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Ray_Merry_Bennett)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [October 9, 2000, 1:18pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/friendships-and-apologies/4576 "2000-10-09T13:18:00Z")

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\[Ray Bennett 2000.10.07.0800 CSTAus\] Lots of people have made comments which seems to indicate 1. Many people are controlling for friendship by being part of this group. 2. Rick and Bruce like pushing each others 'b…

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## [Brown and Herrnstein](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/brown-and-herrnstein/1979)

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**Author:** [@Abbott\_Bruce](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Abbott_Bruce)\
**Replies:** 43\
**Last updated:** [October 8, 2000, 11:22pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/brown-and-herrnstein/1979 "2000-10-08T23:22:48Z")

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\[From Bruce Abbott (2000.10.03.0830 EST)\] Sketch showing, from right to left and in order of decreasing size, a man walking, a mother duck, a toy duck, and a duckling. The caption reads: "A duckling imprinted on a pe…

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## [surrogate pleasure](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/surrogate-pleasure/15108)

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**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [October 6, 2000, 9:28pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/surrogate-pleasure/15108 "2000-10-06T21:28:22Z")

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\[From Bruce Nevin (2000.10.06.1428 EDT)\] Bill Powers (2000.10.06.0739 MDT)-- With this belt-and-suspenders approach to explanation, it might seem that you're doubly secure, but in fact two explanations are worse tha…

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## [Fw: Re: Clueless](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/fw-re-clueless/4645)

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**Author:** [@David\_Wolsk](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/David_Wolsk)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [October 2, 2000, 8:05am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/fw-re-clueless/4645 "2000-10-02T08:05:57Z")

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I sent this a few days ago but it didn't appear on the CSGnet. I thought it was sent in plain text not HTML. What happened? ···----- Original Message ----- From: David Wolsk \<davidwolsk@home.com\> To: Control …

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## [Friendships, apologies](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/friendships-apologies/4577)

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**Author:** [@Dag\_Forssell3](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Dag_Forssell3)\
**Replies:** 42\
**Last updated:** [September 30, 2000, 11:42am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/friendships-apologies/4577 "2000-09-30T11:42:53Z")

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\[From Dag Forssell (2000.09.19.1850)\] Rick Marken (2000.09.19.1030) \> I'm sorry that you loath me. I don't loath you. Or Tom. \> Or anyone else who seems to dislike me. I would prefer to change my perception of you an…

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## [Respectful Control](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/respectful-control/9883)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken2)\
**Replies:** 9\
**Last updated:** [September 30, 2000, 11:21am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/respectful-control/9883 "2000-09-30T11:21:37Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (2000.09.26.2030)\] Bill Curry (2000.09.26.0945 EDT)\] I agree with the following points you made re respectful control...not an oxymoron at all...actually a great term. Thanks. If your original …

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## [Clueless](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/clueless/2602)

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**Author:** [@Bruce\_Gregory](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bruce_Gregory)\
**Replies:** 15\
**Last updated:** [September 29, 2000, 4:28pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/clueless/2602 "2000-09-29T16:28:05Z")

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\[Bruce Gregory (2000.0926.1402)\] Following his recommendation I delete Rick's posts. (I found that doing this before I read them works better than doing it after I read them.) However, I accidentally read the followin…

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## [Behavior: The control of the real world](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/behavior-the-control-of-the-real-world/1640)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken2)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [September 27, 2000, 3:04pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/behavior-the-control-of-the-real-world/1640 "2000-09-27T15:04:49Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (2000.09.26.1850)\] Bill Powers (2000.09.26.1705 MDT) I disagree with Rick about whether we can know we are controlling the real world. It's all perception, I say fairly often. Lord knows, I didn'…

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## [Controlling Behavior of Others \[was The Informant\]](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/controlling-behavior-of-others-was-the-informant/3056)

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**Author:** [@Bill\_Powers1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Powers1)\
**Replies:** 8\
**Last updated:** [September 27, 2000, 1:13pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/controlling-behavior-of-others-was-the-informant/3056 "2000-09-27T13:13:12Z")

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\[From Bill Powers (2000.09.25.0753 MDT)\] Bill Curry (2000.09.25.0825 EDT)-- My thanks to Gary for his precision in pointing out that teachers do not control the behavior of their students, only their perception of th…

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## [Respectful Control (was Controlling Behavior of Others)](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/respectful-control-was-controlling-behavior-of-others/9884)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken2)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [September 27, 2000, 1:47am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/respectful-control-was-controlling-behavior-of-others/9884 "2000-09-27T01:47:59Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (2000.09.26.1320)\] Bill Curry (2000. 09.26.1132 EDT) are you also inferring that the following statements are identities in terms of PCT analysis? 1) teachers control student behavior 2) teachers …

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## [Bill Williams post](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/bill-williams-post/1758)

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**Author:** [@Bill\_Powers1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Powers1)\
**Replies:** 10\
**Last updated:** [September 26, 2000, 2:15pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/bill-williams-post/1758 "2000-09-26T14:15:37Z")

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\[From Bill Powers (2000.09.23.0640 MDT)\] Here is a post from Bill Williams, via Greg Williams (not related), and edited by me to eliminate double spacing and a few typos. I hope I haven't inserted any errors, but admi…

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## [Through PCT Glasses ( as Applying PCT)](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/through-pct-glasses-as-applying-pct/11644)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken2)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [September 25, 2000, 10:56pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/through-pct-glasses-as-applying-pct/11644 "2000-09-25T22:56:56Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (2000.09.24.1740)\] Me: I remember sitting in my first undergraduate class in \_Learning\_, at Ucla trying to learn \_how\_ to perceive behavior in S-R terms. Bill Powers (2000.09.24.0233 MDT)-- This…

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## [Controlling Behavior of Others](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/controlling-behavior-of-others/3055)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken2)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [September 25, 2000, 9:04pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/controlling-behavior-of-others/3055 "2000-09-25T21:04:51Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (2000.09.25.0840)\] Bill Curry (2000.09.25.0825 EDT)-- My thanks to Gary for his precision in pointing out that teachers do not control the behavior of their students, only their perception of those…

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## [The Informant](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/the-informant/11309)

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**Author:** [@Bill\_Powers1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Powers1)\
**Replies:** 15\
**Last updated:** [September 25, 2000, 4:35pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/the-informant/11309 "2000-09-25T16:35:08Z")

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\[From Bill Powers 92000.09.20.0104 MDT)\] Bruce Gregory (2000.0919.1005)\] I consider this a completely counterproductive post. Don't you, on reflection? No. Actually it simply points out what has been obvious for a…

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## [Fielder Model](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/fielder-model/4384)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken2)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [September 24, 2000, 5:01pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/fielder-model/4384 "2000-09-24T17:01:23Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (2000.09.23.0950)\] Bruce Abbott (2000.09.22.1620 EST) (For example, Rick and I differ in our opinions of how successful his fielder model is in capturing the details of real fielding.) I didn't k…

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## [The art of argument](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/the-art-of-argument/11443)

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**Author:** [@DTSDTO](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/DTSDTO)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [September 23, 2000, 7:06pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/the-art-of-argument/11443 "2000-09-23T19:06:39Z")

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\[Mark Lazare 2000.09.22.0200 PDT\] In a message dated 9/20/2000 9:12:40 AM US Mountain Standard Time, powers\_w@FRONTIER.NET writes: \<\< "Convince a man against his will; he's of the same opinion still." \>\> I was thinki…

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## [Through PCT Glasses (was Applying PCT)](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/through-pct-glasses-was-applying-pct/11645)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Marken2](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Marken2)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [September 23, 2000, 5:46pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/through-pct-glasses-was-applying-pct/11645 "2000-09-23T17:46:40Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (2000.09.23.0945)\] Bill Powers (2000.09.23.0721 MDT) I don't really "apply PCT." I just build models; in fact, when I try to set up a model I don't try to stick to PCT. In the Little Man, for examp…

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## [George W. Bush](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/george-w-bush/4719)

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**Author:** [@Norman\_T\_Hovda1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Norman_T_Hovda1)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [September 22, 2000, 6:07pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/george-w-bush/4719 "2000-09-22T18:07:13Z")

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\[from Norman Hovda (2000.09.13 1055 mst)\] At 13:32 Bruce wrote about Re: Teaching and control on 13 Sep 2000, (Needless to say, George W. Bush is a constant source of amazement.) The danquailian story has it George…

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## [CSGnet archive file access problem](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/csgnet-archive-file-access-problem/2264)

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**Author:** [@Abbott\_Bruce](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Abbott_Bruce)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [September 22, 2000, 5:03pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/csgnet-archive-file-access-problem/2264 "2000-09-22T17:03:46Z")

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\[From Bruce Abbott (2000.09.22.1205 EST)\] I tried to pull up the current log-file (csgnet.log0009d) from the csgnet archive and although it's listed in the directory, my browser states that the file could not be found…

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## [Things we do, Meme Machine, I like Rick too](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/things-we-do-meme-machine-i-like-rick-too/11594)

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**Author:** [@Chris\_Cherpas](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Chris_Cherpas)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [September 22, 2000, 2:45pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/things-we-do-meme-machine-i-like-rick-too/11594 "2000-09-22T14:45:47Z")

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\[From Chris Cherpas (2000.09.21.1100 PT)\] It's been a while. I've been laid up after back surgery. Things we do: I'm glad it's out there, but it was a bit disappointing to me since I thought there would be something …

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