# CSG2011

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## [About the CSG2011 category](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/about-the-csg2011-category/199)

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**Author:** [@system](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/system)\
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**Last updated:** [February 1, 2020, 11:29am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/about-the-csg2011-category/199 "2020-02-01T11:29:56Z")

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This is an archive of CSGnet posts from 2011.

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## [Astrocyte Regulation of Synaptic Depression and Facilitation (PLoS journal article)](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/astrocyte-regulation-of-synaptic-depression-and-facilitation-plos-journal-article/1346)

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**Author:** [@chadtgreen](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/chadtgreen)\
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**Last updated:** [January 1, 2012, 12:28am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/astrocyte-regulation-of-synaptic-depression-and-facilitation-plos-journal-article/1346 "2012-01-01T00:28:31Z")

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\[From Chad Green (2011.12.31.1928 EST)\] Just found out about this journal article on the CHAOPSYC listserv (thanks, Gavin): A Tale of Two Stories: Astrocyte Regulation of Synaptic Depression and Facilitation "We de…

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## [An idea about neuroscience](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/an-idea-about-neuroscience/1057)

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**Author:** [@Bill\_Powers1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Powers1)\
**Replies:** 29\
**Last updated:** [December 13, 2011, 1:46pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/an-idea-about-neuroscience/1057 "2011-12-13T13:46:28Z")

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Hello, all, from Bill Powers This is aimed mainly at our neuroscience contingent, but everyone might have something to say about it. I woke up this morning after a long struggle with a program had been ruining my sleep …

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## [A robot that really walks](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-robot-that-really-walks/723)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_Kennaway](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_Kennaway)\
**Replies:** 9\
**Last updated:** [December 11, 2011, 6:39pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-robot-that-really-walks/723 "2011-12-11T18:39:53Z")

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I just came across this, the PETMAN from Boston Dynamics (who also make Big Dog): http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player\_embedded&v=mclbVTIYG8E It's tethered, but that's just for power and maybe to stop it being d…

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## [MOL avant la lettre?](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/mol-avant-la-lettre/6629)

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**Author:** [@tedcloak](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/tedcloak)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [December 9, 2011, 10:20pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/mol-avant-la-lettre/6629 "2011-12-09T22:20:48Z")

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From Henry Morton Stanley's Unbreakable Will The explorer of Dr. Livingstone-fame provides a classic character study of how willpower works By Roy F. Baumeister and John Tierney Smithsonian magazine, December 2011 R…

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## [inside a neuron](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/inside-a-neuron/14041)

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**Author:** [@Bill\_Powers1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Powers1)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [December 9, 2011, 6:14pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/inside-a-neuron/14041 "2011-12-09T18:14:11Z")

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Hi, Tim -- The whole group might be interested in this: Yes, E. coli is a single cell. And yes, plants are control systems, too. I once encouraged a horticulturalist on CSGnet to write a book on "Plant Behavior," of wh…

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## [Mother Pelican ~ December 2011](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/mother-pelican-december-2011/7372)

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**Author:** [@Luis\_Gutierrez](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Luis_Gutierrez)\
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**Last updated:** [December 5, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/mother-pelican-december-2011/7372 "2011-12-05T20:33:16Z")

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Mother Pelican: A Journal of Sustainable Human Development \*Merry Christmas\* The December 2011 issue has been posted: Editorial Essay - \*A New World is Being Born\* http://www.pelicanweb.org/solisustv07n12page1.html A…

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## [Using PCT for personal development and goal setting](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/using-pct-for-personal-development-and-goal-setting/11953)

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**Author:** [@andrew\_speaker](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/andrew_speaker)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [December 4, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/using-pct-for-personal-development-and-goal-setting/11953 "2011-12-04T16:35:05Z")

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Hello to everyone and I hope you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday for those in the states. My name is Andrew Speaker and I work with people in the personal development and peak performance areas. I have studied p…

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## [2012 PCT International Conference](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/2012-pct-international-conference/437)

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**Author:** [@Richard\_H\_Pfau](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Richard_H_Pfau)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [December 2, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/2012-pct-international-conference/437 "2011-12-02T22:17:11Z")

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\[RichardPfau (01.12.2011.07:25NepalTime) Bill/Planning Committee, I recently became aware that the Mind & Life Institute is based in Boulder,Colorado (7007 Winchester Cir., Suite 100, Boulder, CO 80301, phone: 303-530-…

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## [Prigogine's Dissipative Structure](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/prigogines-dissipative-structure/9114)

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**Author:** [@BUSINESS\_GAVIN\_HERMA](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/BUSINESS_GAVIN_HERMA)\
**Replies:** 16\
**Last updated:** [December 2, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/prigogines-dissipative-structure/9114 "2011-12-02T17:00:32Z")

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(Gavin Ritz 2011.11.28.9.21. \[From Bill Powers (2011.11,26,0925 MST)\] Gavin Ritz 2011.11.25.18.01 NZT – Can you tell me why you think Ilya Prigogine’s work is uninspiring? He has some powerful arguments and evidence …

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## [Another question -Art](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/another-question-art/1142)

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**Author:** [@BUSINESS\_GAVIN\_HERMA](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/BUSINESS_GAVIN_HERMA)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [November 28, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/another-question-art/1142 "2011-11-28T16:20:53Z")

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(Gavin Ritz 2011.11.28.9.14NZT) \[From Bill Powers (2011.11.26.0903 MST)\] gavin Ritz 2011.11.25.10.58NZT ···– \[From Bill Powers (2011.11.24.0634 MDT)\] (Gavin Ritz 2011.11.24.17.38NZT) What is the output variabl…

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## [Theory of Mind?](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/theory-of-mind/11565)

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**Author:** [@rsmarken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/rsmarken)\
**Replies:** 53\
**Last updated:** [November 27, 2011, 9:22pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/theory-of-mind/11565 "2011-11-27T21:22:03Z")

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\[From Rick Marken (2011.11.19.1115)\] An economist friend of mine who is reading the new book by Daniel Kahneman (a psychologist who won the Nobel in economics) asked me if I was familiar with the Heider-Simmel demons…

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## [Hans Hass, energon theory](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/hans-hass-energon-theory/5097)

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**Author:** [@Bill\_Powers1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Powers1)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [November 26, 2011, 10:27pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/hans-hass-energon-theory/5097 "2011-11-26T22:27:35Z")

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\[From Bill Powers (2011.11,26,0925 MST)\] Gavin Ritz 2011.11.25.18.01 NZT – GR\>: Your field of study psychology with which you have replaced with PCT, is voodoo RMarken: But isn’t your field of study psychology as w…

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## [Another question- sound](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/another-question-sound/1143)

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**Author:** [@BUSINESS\_GAVIN\_HERMA](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/BUSINESS_GAVIN_HERMA)\
**Replies:** 7\
**Last updated:** [November 26, 2011, 10:14pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/another-question-sound/1143 "2011-11-26T22:14:51Z")

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( Gavin Ritz 2011.11.24.17.38NZT) I’m listening to music and I’m singing in my head, no vocal sound. Lying on the bed very still in a room, no movement. Is the sound a disturbance or a controlled variable? What is…

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## [was theory of mind now mathematical notion](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/was-theory-of-mind-now-mathematical-notion/15377)

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**Author:** [@BUSINESS\_GAVIN\_HERMA](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/BUSINESS_GAVIN_HERMA)\
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**Last updated:** [November 23, 2011, 10:02pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/was-theory-of-mind-now-mathematical-notion/15377 "2011-11-23T22:02:50Z")

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(Gavin Ritz 2011.11.24.10.50NZT) \[From Rick Marken (2011.11.23.1300)\] Gavin Ritz (2011.11.23.9.04NZT) GR: In fact I love to learn new things, but the language you use makes no sense to me mathematically. The …

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## [Just a simple concept I need to understand](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/just-a-simple-concept-i-need-to-understand/5981)

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**Author:** [@BUSINESS\_GAVIN\_HERMA](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/BUSINESS_GAVIN_HERMA)\
**Replies:** 6\
**Last updated:** [November 23, 2011, 9:45am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/just-a-simple-concept-i-need-to-understand/5981 "2011-11-23T09:45:47Z")

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(Gavin Ritz 2011.11.23.8.38NZT) I’m standing looking at a natural scenery. Just looking (not moving, well maybe a little). I move my head to take in the full scope of the scenery and possibly blink my eyes. I then ut…

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## [Economic models so What about this?](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/economic-models-so-what-about-this/3818)

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**Author:** [@BUSINESS\_GAVIN\_HERMA](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/BUSINESS_GAVIN_HERMA)\
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**Last updated:** [November 17, 2011, 9:48pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/economic-models-so-what-about-this/3818 "2011-11-17T21:48:08Z")

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Message Why Economic Models Are Always Wrong Financial-risk models got us in trouble before the 2008 crash, and they’re almost sure to get us in trouble again http://links.email.scientificamerican.com/ctt?kn=55&ms=Mz…

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## [Vectors and scalars](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/vectors-and-scalars/12072)

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**Author:** [@Bill\_Powers1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Powers1)\
**Replies:** 18\
**Last updated:** [November 16, 2011, 12:32am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/vectors-and-scalars/12072 "2011-11-16T00:32:34Z")

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\[From Bill Powers (2011.11.12.0725 MST)\] Note change in subject field. Martin Taylor 2011.11.11.23.02 – BP earlier: Can you imagine any way in which a collection of independently generated variables can lead to a…

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## [Respect, Mutual obligation, honesty and Trust](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/respect-mutual-obligation-honesty-and-trust/9881)

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**Author:** [@BUSINESS\_GAVIN\_HERMA](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/BUSINESS_GAVIN_HERMA)\
**Replies:** 7\
**Last updated:** [November 13, 2011, 8:17pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/respect-mutual-obligation-honesty-and-trust/9881 "2011-11-13T20:17:23Z")

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( Gavin Ritz 2011.11.13.1044NZT) I have been on many lists and still am. They include NECSI now not in use anymore, New England Complexity Society CYBCOM cyberentics discussion group CHAOPSYC Chaos Psychology …

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## [Mother Pelican Vol. 7 No. 11, November 2011](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/mother-pelican-vol-7-no-11-november-2011/7370)

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**Author:** [@Luis\_Gutierrez](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Luis_Gutierrez)\
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**Last updated:** [November 13, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/mother-pelican-vol-7-no-11-november-2011/7370 "2011-11-13T16:01:53Z")

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Mother Pelican: A Journal of Sustainable Human Development The November 2011 issue has been posted: Theme ~ Mitigation & Adaptation Strategies for Climate Change http://www.pelicanweb.org/solisustv07n11page1.html Art…

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## [twilight of the idols](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/twilight-of-the-idols/15305)

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**Author:** [@Bill\_Powers1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Powers1)\
**Replies:** 48\
**Last updated:** [November 12, 2011, 4:57am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/twilight-of-the-idols/15305 "2011-11-12T04:57:47Z")

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To wholegroup from Bill P. ("Wholegroup" is a new mailbox nickname I'm starting in Eudora. It will have all the above addresses in it, though I'll delete anyone's if they ask. Saves using "reply to all" every time, whic…

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## [Learning was Optimal Control theory](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/learning-was-optimal-control-theory/6285)

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**Author:** [@BUSINESS\_GAVIN\_HERMA](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/BUSINESS_GAVIN_HERMA)\
**Replies:** 4\
**Last updated:** [November 11, 2011, 11:56pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/learning-was-optimal-control-theory/6285 "2011-11-11T23:56:27Z")

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(gavin Ritz 2011.11.10.9.38NZT) \[From Bill Powers (2011.11.10.0851 MST)\] (Gavin Ritz 2011.09.11.10.19NZT) We all do this, extended thought and reasoning, that’s why you and many others develop ideas, THAT’S CREAT…

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## [Vector Vs. Scalar](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/vector-vs-scalar/12071)

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**Author:** [@\_Erling\_Jorgensen](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/_Erling_Jorgensen)\
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**Last updated:** [November 11, 2011, 11:27pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/vector-vs-scalar/12071 "2011-11-11T23:27:11Z")

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\[From Erling Jorgensen (2011.11.11 11:00 EST)\] This thread used to be called “twilight of the idols,” although I forget how it got that original title. I want to pick up on the question Martin Taylor raised in variou…

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## [Optimal control theory](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/optimal-control-theory/15514)

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**Author:** [@Bill\_Powers1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Powers1)\
**Replies:** 29\
**Last updated:** [November 11, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/optimal-control-theory/15514 "2011-11-11T15:03:08Z")

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Hello, all – Apparently, the theory du jour in neuroscience is optimal control theory. At least that is what Steve Scott uses, and what I see frequently in the few other discussions I have looked at. Here is part of …

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## [Who sent me the book?](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/who-sent-me-the-book/12452)

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**Author:** [@Bill\_Powers1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Powers1)\
**Replies:** 5\
**Last updated:** [November 10, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/who-sent-me-the-book/12452 "2011-11-10T17:25:57Z")

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Hello, all – A couple of days ago, a package arrived with a book in it: My Stroke of Insight, by Jill Bolte Taylor, PhD (Viking Penguin, 2006). There was no note or return address (except that of the shipper), so I ha…

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## [Marketing of PCT](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/marketing-of-pct/6766)

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**Author:** [@BUSINESS\_GAVIN\_HERMA](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/BUSINESS_GAVIN_HERMA)\
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**Last updated:** [November 7, 2011, 11:23pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/marketing-of-pct/6766 "2011-11-07T23:23:01Z")

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(Gavin Ritz 2011.08.11.11.24NZT) I have been in business on my own account for probably 25 years and previous to this I worked as a geotechnical engineer. I’ve spent long periods in at least 4 or 5 sectors of the e…

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## [Propositions](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/propositions/9213)

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**Author:** [@BUSINESS\_GAVIN\_HERMA](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/BUSINESS_GAVIN_HERMA)\
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**Last updated:** [November 7, 2011, 8:55pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/propositions/9213 "2011-11-07T20:55:07Z")

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(Gavin Ritz 2011.11.08.9.36NZT) (Gavin Ritz 2011.11.07.18.14NZT) \[From Rick Marken (2011.11.06.2110)\] Gavin Ritz (2011.07.11.11.41NZT) I have been looking at the propositions of a whole bunch of non-equilibrium sub…

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## [Language and Perceptual Controlled Variables](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/language-and-perceptual-controlled-variables/6188)

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**Author:** [@BUSINESS\_GAVIN\_HERMA](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/BUSINESS_GAVIN_HERMA)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [November 7, 2011, 6:49am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/language-and-perceptual-controlled-variables/6188 "2011-11-07T06:49:56Z")

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(Gavin Ritz 2011.07.11.17.26NZT) In some discussion with Bill he says that language is a perceptual controlled variable. I think I understand this. (Can’t be sure I do). If this is the case, language is connected to…

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## [Propositions of PCT- Rick's proposition](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/propositions-of-pct-ricks-proposition/9215)

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**Author:** [@BUSINESS\_GAVIN\_HERMA](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/BUSINESS_GAVIN_HERMA)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [November 7, 2011, 5:16am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/propositions-of-pct-ricks-proposition/9215 "2011-11-07T05:16:09Z")

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(Gavin Ritz 2011.07.11.11.41NZT) \[From Rick Marken (2011.11.06.1400)\] Gavin Ritz (2011.11.07.9.58) here is an example of what a proposition may be: Rick says: I would just add: that is all ye know on earth, an…

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## [Propositions of PCT](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/propositions-of-pct/9214)

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**Author:** [@BUSINESS\_GAVIN\_HERMA](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/BUSINESS_GAVIN_HERMA)\
**Replies:** 6\
**Last updated:** [November 6, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/propositions-of-pct/9214 "2011-11-06T22:31:50Z")

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(Gavin Ritz 2011.11.06.10.41NZT) Hi Can anyone send me to the appropriate documents (books) on the key propositions(s) of PCT? I’m looking at a whole bunch of theories and comparing them to each other. I want the o…

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