# CSG2018

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## [About the CSG2018 category](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/about-the-csg2018-category/206)

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**Author:** [@system](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/system)\
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**Last updated:** [February 1, 2020, 11:29am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/about-the-csg2018-category/206 "2020-02-01T11:29:56Z")

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This is an archive of CSGnet posts from 2018.

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## [Emotions construct the world](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/emotions-construct-the-world/3919)

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**Author:** [@rupert](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/rupert)\
**Replies:** 15\
**Last updated:** [September 6, 2021, 10:42am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/emotions-construct-the-world/3919 "2021-09-06T10:42:22Z")

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\[From Rupert Young (2018.04.22 16.45)\] Some were asking about emotions recently. Here's a quite interesting podcast about emotions that might be of interest as it seems fairly compatible with PCT. Regards, Ruper…

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## [a clear step-by-step procedure?](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-clear-step-by-step-procedure/12927)

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**Author:** [@\_Boris\_Hartman](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/_Boris_Hartman)\
**Replies:** 13\
**Last updated:** [November 1, 2019, 9:54pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-clear-step-by-step-procedure/12927 "2019-11-01T21:54:01Z")

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Hi Alex, I don’t know if anybody answered your request. For doing TCV you need to understand PCT (Bills’ version not other home made versions). But till now I saw just your strong resistance to PCT. So what to do ? Bes…

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## [goal of our researchgate project](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/goal-of-our-researchgate-project/13892)

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**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\
**Replies:** 107\
**Last updated:** [April 22, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/goal-of-our-researchgate-project/13892 "2019-04-22T18:44:16Z")

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\[From Bruce Nevin (2018.01.01.22:52 ET)\]Â On the principle that no response means I have introduced no disturbance that would cause error in anyone’s control, I assume that for each person receiving this either this tex…

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## [Two semi-coherent thoughts on 'sensing'](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/two-semi-coherent-thoughts-on-sensing/11845)

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**Author:** [@Matti](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Matti)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [December 20, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/two-semi-coherent-thoughts-on-sensing/11845 "2018-12-20T14:00:36Z")

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\[From MK (2018.12.20.1500 CET)\] Within the context of a biophysical or biological system: what does it from a control theoretic point of view mean "to sense' something? Keeping in mind the biological context: what is …

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## [IAPCT 2018 Conference Materials Available](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/iapct-2018-conference-materials-available/5414)

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**Author:** [@richardhpfau](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/richardhpfau)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [December 18, 2018, 8:32am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/iapct-2018-conference-materials-available/5414 "2018-12-18T08:32:51Z")

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\[From: Richard Pfau (2018.12.17 5:20 pm EST)\] Colleagues, Attached is a list of items available related to presentations made at the IAPCT 2018 Conference during October. To obtain one or more, if possible please cont…

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## [Controlling Sequences and Programs](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/controlling-sequences-and-programs/3070)

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**Author:** [@rsmarken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/rsmarken)\
**Replies:** 30\
**Last updated:** [December 14, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/controlling-sequences-and-programs/3070 "2018-12-14T20:13:50Z")

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RM: At long last I’ve got a version of a “program control” demo that seems to work ok. But I’d like to see how it works with people other than myself. I’d also appreciate any comments or suggestions. The demo is at: htt…

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## [Sensory neurons as living control systems](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/sensory-neurons-as-living-control-systems/10375)

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**Author:** [@Matti](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Matti)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [December 12, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/sensory-neurons-as-living-control-systems/10375 "2018-12-12T17:13:57Z")

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\[From MK (2018.12.02.1330 CET)\] Control all the way down... and up. ···---- Temperature (Austin). 2015 Jul-Sep; 2(3): 336�337. Published online 2015 Oct 12. doi: \[10.1080/23328940.2015.1050157\] PMCID: PMC4843904 P…

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## [Model of "Collective Control" of Pronunciation Drift](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/model-of-collective-control-of-pronunciation-drift/7076)

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**Author:** [@rsmarken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/rsmarken)\
**Replies:** 16\
**Last updated:** [December 7, 2018, 5:30pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/model-of-collective-control-of-pronunciation-drift/7076 "2018-12-07T17:30:02Z")

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\[Rick Marken 2018-11-22\_11:24:30\] RM: Happy Thanksgiving All. RM: I’ve got a few hours before the Thanksgiving dinner so I thought I would tell you about a little control model I’ve written (in Excel) to provide a st…

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## [Nicaraguan Sign Language](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/nicaraguan-sign-language/7675)

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**Author:** [@MartinT](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/MartinT)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [December 5, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/nicaraguan-sign-language/7675 "2018-12-05T16:01:21Z")

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\[Martin Taylor 2018/12/05/10/24\] Bruce, I thought you might be interested in the attached analysis of French Sign Language (FSL). It is a written-after-the-fact paper based on a fascinating talk that Cuxac presente…

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## [Collective Control: Another vexing question (was Re: A Vexing Question)](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/collective-control-another-vexing-question-was-re-a-vexing-question/2645)

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**Author:** [@rsmarken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/rsmarken)\
**Replies:** 34\
**Last updated:** [November 28, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/collective-control-another-vexing-question-was-re-a-vexing-question/2645 "2018-11-28T22:56:32Z")

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\[Rick Marken 2018-11-12\_17:38:41\] \[From Bruce Nevin 2018.11.11.18:12\] Â RM: I believe the question at issue was whether there is a variable “out there” that corresponds to the perception that the organism can cont…

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## [Robot resisting disturbances](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/robot-resisting-disturbances/10054)

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**Author:** [@gcziko](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/gcziko)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [November 28, 2018, 4:11pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/robot-resisting-disturbances/10054 "2018-11-28T16:11:56Z")

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All of this video is quite amazing. But the best part starts at 5:57. https://youtu.be/3OKZ\_n8QW4w?t=5m57s Even more impressive would be seeing the robot start to push the human around when it’s had enough disturban…

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## [FW: Identity tag creator for Windows users](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/fw-identity-tag-creator-for-windows-users/4199)

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**Author:** [@EetuP](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/EetuP)\
**Replies:** 11\
**Last updated:** [November 25, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/fw-identity-tag-creator-for-windows-users/4199 "2018-11-25T16:37:17Z")

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\[Eetu Pikkarainen 2018-01-26\_14:30:03\] This message did not go through to the list with the attachment, so I try to send it again without the attachment. The mentioned zip file is downloadable in: https://wiki.oulu.fi/…

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## [HPCT sources](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/hpct-sources/4974)

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**Author:** [@EetuP](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/EetuP)\
**Replies:** 5\
**Last updated:** [November 25, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/hpct-sources/4974 "2018-11-25T16:02:57Z")

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\[Eetu Pikkarainen 2018-11-23\_11:39:40 UTC\] Hi all, could you point or send me what publications (or not published texts) there are about the hierarchical levels of perceptions in Hierarchical Perceptual Control Theory…

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## [Pod Cast Interview on "Doing Research on Purpose"](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/pod-cast-interview-on-doing-research-on-purpose/8906)

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**Author:** [@rsmarken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/rsmarken)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [November 21, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/pod-cast-interview-on-doing-research-on-purpose/8906 "2018-11-21T16:48:59Z")

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\[Rick Marken 2018-11-21\_08:47:03\] I forgot to mention that I did another book interview with Tom Scholte for the Systems and Cybernetics New Book Network. The earlier interview was for “Controlling People” by Tim Carey …

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## [Theory or Data first?](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/theory-or-data-first/11567)

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**Author:** [@MartinT](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/MartinT)\
**Replies:** 5\
**Last updated:** [November 21, 2018, 3:43pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/theory-or-data-first/11567 "2018-11-21T15:43:10Z")

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\[Martin Taylor 2018.11.20.15.34\] Rick frequently says that my approach to PCT is "theory first", and he couches it in the form of an accusation, as though it was in some way wrong. Whether it is true of my work in gener…

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## [Bye for now](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/bye-for-now/2035)

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**Author:** [@rupert](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/rupert)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [November 21, 2018, 9:04am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/bye-for-now/2035 "2018-11-21T09:04:17Z")

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\[Rupert Young (2018.11.20 13.45)\] As I have a busy few months ahead working on a PCT robotics proposal I’m going to withdraw from CSGnet for a while as it can be a bit of a distraction. However, in addition to em…

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## [A Question about the Feedback Function](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-question-about-the-feedback-function/602)

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**Author:** [@FredNickols](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/FredNickols)\
**Replies:** 4\
**Last updated:** [November 19, 2018, 9:00pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-question-about-the-feedback-function/602 "2018-11-19T21:00:57Z")

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From Fred Nickols (2018.11.18.1539 ET) I have long made use of a concept I’ve called “The Solution Path” and at other times called “The Achievement Path.” In a nutshell, it is the path that leads from our actions throu…

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## [A Vexing Question](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-vexing-question/632)

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**Author:** [@FredNickols](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/FredNickols)\
**Replies:** 23\
**Last updated:** [November 19, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-vexing-question/632 "2018-11-19T20:15:15Z")

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From Fred Nickols (2018.11.05.1531 ET) I wrestle still with the notion of control of variables out there and my perception of them. Here are some thoughts I jotted down. Looking forward to some informed responses. In…

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## [Collective Control mini-taxonomy](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/collective-control-mini-taxonomy/2642)

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**Author:** [@MartinT](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/MartinT)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [November 19, 2018, 10:45am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/collective-control-mini-taxonomy/2642 "2018-11-19T10:45:56Z")

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\[Martin Taylor 2018.11.18.16.39\] \[Martin Taylor 2018.11.18.14.15\] Fred Nickols (2018.11.18.1205 ET) Where would I find your taxonomy, Martin? Since the message in which I posted it has not been delivered, even af…

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## [Collective Control:](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/collective-control/2644)

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**Author:** [@MartinT](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/MartinT)\
**Replies:** 13\
**Last updated:** [November 18, 2018, 9:45pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/collective-control/2644 "2018-11-18T21:45:36Z")

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\[Martin Taylor 2018.11.13.09.54\] \[Rick Marken 2018-11-12\_17:38:41\] … RM: What these different examples of “collective control” have in common is that they refer to controlling that involves two or …

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## [Areas to possibly extends PCT](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/areas-to-possibly-extends-pct/1265)

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**Author:** [@P0ck](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/P0ck)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [November 17, 2018, 9:19am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/areas-to-possibly-extends-pct/1265 "2018-11-17T09:19:18Z")

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Here are a few concepts from control theory which I have not seen transfered to PCT and that would fit quite well. Gain and phase margins: \<https://youtu.be/ThoA4amCAX4\>https://youtu.be/ThoA4amCAX4 Stability: \<https:…

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## [PCT and the Golden Rule](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/pct-and-the-golden-rule/8350)

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**Author:** [@richardhpfau](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/richardhpfau)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [November 17, 2018, 7:07am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/pct-and-the-golden-rule/8350 "2018-11-17T07:07:34Z")

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\[Richard Pfau (2018.11.14 17:03 EST)\] I thought that PCTers might be interested in the attached posting placed on my Facebook Business Site for distribution to a general audience. You are welcome to share it too if you…

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## [Identity tag creator for Windows users](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/identity-tag-creator-for-windows-users/5505)

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**Author:** [@EetuP](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/EetuP)\
**Replies:** 4\
**Last updated:** [November 16, 2018, 4:07pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/identity-tag-creator-for-windows-users/5505 "2018-11-16T16:07:45Z")

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The sending time corresponds the publication time, and it can be of interest for historical study of the structure of discussion. However if you maintain the archive in an email program it will automatically order the me…

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## [FW: A Vexing Question](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/fw-a-vexing-question/4155)

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**Author:** [@\_Boris\_Hartman](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/_Boris_Hartman)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [November 13, 2018, 11:49am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/fw-a-vexing-question/4155 "2018-11-13T11:49:34Z")

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Sorry I made a mistake in dialog in previous similar post so please consider it irrelevant and use this post for eventual answering. Rick, well I really don’t understand what’s wrong with Bills’ way of writing that you…

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## [evading the tar pit](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/evading-the-tar-pit/13725)

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**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [November 11, 2018, 11:46am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/evading-the-tar-pit/13725 "2018-11-11T11:46:12Z")

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\[From Bruce Nevin 2018.11.10.18:02ET\] Fred, this seems up your organizational alley: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/11/12/why-doctors-hate-their-computers Also ripe for some speculation about how the design o…

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## [Auto-steering car: PID versus "PCT" control systems](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/auto-steering-car-pid-versus-pct-control-systems/1376)

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**Author:** [@Abbott](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Abbott)\
**Replies:** 15\
**Last updated:** [November 9, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/auto-steering-car-pid-versus-pct-control-systems/1376 "2018-11-09T20:28:45Z")

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\[From Bruce Abbott (2018.09.09.1715 EDT)\] The youtube video at https://youtu.be/4Y7zG48uHRo uses the example of an auto-steering car to illustrate the operation of a PID (proportional-integral-derivative) controller. T…

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## [Bill Powers' Artificial Cerebellum demo](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/bill-powers-artificial-cerebellum-demo/1750)

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**Author:** [@Abbott](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Abbott)\
**Replies:** 6\
**Last updated:** [November 8, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/bill-powers-artificial-cerebellum-demo/1750 "2018-11-08T17:56:41Z")

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\[From Bruce Abbott (2018.11.05.1450 EST)\] Does anyone have a copy of Bill Powers’ “artificial cerebellum” demo? Bill described it in 1994, but thus far I have not been able to locate the actual program. Source code wo…

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## [Belated Review of IAPCT Meeting in Chicago](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/belated-review-of-iapct-meeting-in-chicago/1671)

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**Author:** [@rsmarken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/rsmarken)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [November 5, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/belated-review-of-iapct-meeting-in-chicago/1671 "2018-11-05T17:06:15Z")

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\[Rick Marken 2018-11-01\_09:32:46\] I’m surprised no one has said anything about the IAPCT meeting (or anything else really) on CSGNet. So I’ll take the liberty of giving a brief review of the meeting from memory. Overall…

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## [A New Approach to Conflict Management](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-new-approach-to-conflict-management/553)

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**Author:** [@FredNickols](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/FredNickols)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [November 5, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-new-approach-to-conflict-management/553 "2018-11-05T17:05:55Z")

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From Fred Nickols (2018.11.02.1036 ET) I just posted the following message to an OD discussion list: “Those of you who include conflict management as part of your OD repertoire would be well-served by looking into a ne…

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