# CSG2019 **URL:** http://discourse.iapct.org/c/csgnet/csg2019/74.md?page=1 [Latest](http://discourse.iapct.org/latest.md) · [Categories](http://discourse.iapct.org/categories.md) · [Tags](http://discourse.iapct.org/tags.md) **Page:** 2 --- ## [email and Discourse \[was: A Workplace Story\]](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/email-and-discourse-was-a-workplace-story/13678)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [September 24, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/email-and-discourse-was-a-workplace-story/13678 "2019-09-24T17:48:05Z")
Fred, You can’t send email to discourse. The reason is that the general disorganization of subject lines and subject matter in CSGnet email often is not a clear fit to the categories and topics there. When you’re logged… --- ## [A Workplace Story](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-workplace-story/637)
**Author:** [@FredNickols](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/FredNickols)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [September 23, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-workplace-story/637 "2019-09-23T13:39:44Z")
I tried posting this to IAPCT but couldn’t get it to work. I sent it to iapct@discourse.iapct.org and got a message saying the remote server was misconfigured. I probably used the wrong address. Anyway, here’s the … --- ## [Living control](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/living-control/6467)
**Author:** [@Heather\_Broccard-Bel](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Heather_Broccard-Bel)\ **Replies:** 17\ **Last updated:** [September 20, 2019, 12:43pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/living-control/6467 "2019-09-20T12:43:10Z")
I’m curious to hear what everyone thinks about this work: https://www.quantamagazine.org/math-reveals-the-secrets-of-cells-feedback-circuitry-20190918/ Cheers, Heather --- ## [Social Variables and Collective Control](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/social-variables-and-collective-control/10592)
**Author:** [@rsmarken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/rsmarken)\ **Replies:** 14\ **Last updated:** [September 19, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/social-variables-and-collective-control/10592 "2019-09-19T20:36:23Z")
\[Rick Marken 2019-09-02\_13:52:58\] In response to Bruce Nevin (20190830.16:30 ET) RM: I’d be interested in hearing what you think is an example of a social variable and how work in “collective control” shows that… --- ## [migrating from csgnet to Discourse](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/migrating-from-csgnet-to-discourse/14252)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [September 19, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/migrating-from-csgnet-to-discourse/14252 "2019-09-19T17:03:44Z")
Exciting news! As we discussed at the annual meeting in Manchester, we are ready to move to our modern web-based discussion forum using Discourse. Here’s a guy on Youtube saying why he’s enthusiastic about Discourse. h… --- ## [\[Ecacsnet\] Living control](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/ecacsnet-living-control/12723)
**Author:** [@wmansell](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/wmansell)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [September 19, 2019, 11:59am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/ecacsnet-living-control/12723 "2019-09-19T11:59:14Z")
Essential to establish the biological nuts and bolts, the wetware watts governor, of the cell… ···On 19 Sep 2019, at 11:26, Heather Broccard-Bell hebell@ucsd.edu wrote: I’m curious to hear what everyone thinks about t… --- ## [The Performance Path](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/the-performance-path/11361)
**Author:** [@FredNickols](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/FredNickols)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [September 9, 2019, 10:13am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/the-performance-path/11361 "2019-09-09T10:13:30Z")
I write a monthly column for ISPI’s PerformanceXpress titled “Knowledge Worker.” I have used that forum on several occasions to present or tout this or that aspect of PCT. Next month’s column presents “The Performance … --- ## [Which level is it?](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/which-level-is-it/12435)
**Author:** [@FredNickols](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/FredNickols)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [September 7, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/which-level-is-it/12435 "2019-09-07T18:32:10Z")
Fred Nickols 2019.09.07.1429 ET I’m sitting in the living room. All of a sudden I feel thirsty. I get up, go into the kitchen, go to a cabinet next to the sink, open it, take out a glass, close the cabinet door, move … --- ## [Visual illusion, control of brightness](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/visual-illusion-control-of-brightness/12129)
**Author:** [@amatic](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/amatic)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [September 7, 2019, 2:41pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/visual-illusion-control-of-brightness/12129 "2019-09-07T14:41:48Z")
https://twitter.com/AkiyoshiKitaoka/status/1028473566193315841 Generally, we can assume that the perception signal (p) is highly correlated to the input quantity (qi), and we can assume a simple input function. In thi… --- ## [IAPCT annual report](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/iapct-annual-report/5418)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [September 6, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/iapct-annual-report/5418 "2019-09-06T18:29:10Z")
The annual report of the IAPCT Executive Board to the members (and other supporters) of IAPCT is posted at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SqmWkz4ern6fzh3daqUcX0BmtC7KcwdAgCQoUXb8w7Y/edit?usp=sharing --- ## [What did I control?](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/what-did-i-control/12282)
**Author:** [@FredNickols](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/FredNickols)\ **Replies:** 32\ **Last updated:** [September 6, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/what-did-i-control/12282 "2019-09-06T16:52:52Z")
Fred Nickols 2019.09.04.1014 ET Let’s say I take a clear, plastic cup and, using a marker, put a short line about halfway up the glass. Now let’s say I pour water into the glass until it is even with the mark I drew… --- ## [Controlling another's purpose (was Re: agency in language)](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/controlling-anothers-purpose-was-re-agency-in-language/3073)
**Author:** [@MartinT](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/MartinT)\ **Replies:** 29\ **Last updated:** [September 3, 2019, 11:23am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/controlling-anothers-purpose-was-re-agency-in-language/3073 "2019-09-03T11:23:13Z")
\[Martin Taylor 2019.08.27.11.00\] \[Rick Marken 2019-08-26\_15:57:27\] \[From Bruce Nevin (20190823.10:00 ET)\] BN: When we control a perception of another’s purpose, is th… --- ## [Check for Accuracy](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/check-for-accuracy/2479)
**Author:** [@FredNickols](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/FredNickols)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [September 3, 2019, 9:41am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/check-for-accuracy/2479 "2019-09-03T09:41:11Z")
From Fred Nickols 2019.09.02.1334 ET I’d appreciate it if anyone who cares to review the attached for accuracy (i.e., consistency with PCT) would do so and let me know if it is accurate. It is a work in progress so it’… --- ## [Faulty Memory](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/faulty-memory/4313)
**Author:** [@FredNickols](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/FredNickols)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [August 30, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/faulty-memory/4313 "2019-08-30T21:36:36Z")
Someone refresh my memory please. Where the attached formal model of PCT drawn from? I forget. ···Regards, Fred Nickols Managing Partner Distance Consulting LLC “My Objective is to Help You Achieve Yours” www.n… --- ## [agency in language](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/agency-in-language/12997)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [August 26, 2019, 11:51pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/agency-in-language/12997 "2019-08-26T23:51:41Z")
\[From Bruce Nevin (20190821.11:17 ET)\] Some languages in the world use a completely different set of pronouns to distinguish whether the effects indicated by the verb in a sentence is intended or is experienced irrespec… --- ## [What is an expectation?](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/what-is-an-expectation/12312)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [August 25, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/what-is-an-expectation/12312 "2019-08-25T22:52:31Z")
\[From Bruce Nevin (20190825.18:12 ET)\] I agree that when all folks have is metaphors and hand-waving they usually assume that’s all you have. They may know no other way to attempt to do science. Nasrudin was search… --- ## [Maybe this puts the S-R psychology to rest](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/maybe-this-puts-the-s-r-psychology-to-rest/6849)
**Author:** [@flenk](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/flenk)\ **Replies:** 2\ **Last updated:** [August 25, 2019, 3:49am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/maybe-this-puts-the-s-r-psychology-to-rest/6849 "2019-08-25T03:49:45Z")
I ran across this article explaining some recent neuroscience: https://www.quantamagazine.org/brains-speed-up-perception-by-guessing-whats-next-20190502/ The language doesn’t match PCT, but it definitely supports th… --- ## [analog programming](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/analog-programming/13034)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [August 17, 2019, 4:10pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/analog-programming/13034 "2019-08-17T16:10:24Z")
\[Bruce Nevin (20190817:12:10 ET)\] Bill proposed that beginning with the Category level and up through Sequence, Program, etc. the operations in the hierarchy are binary rather than analog operations. These are rather l… --- ## [logic and imagination](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/logic-and-imagination/14176)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 6\ **Last updated:** [August 14, 2019, 2:23am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/logic-and-imagination/14176 "2019-08-14T02:23:13Z")
\[From Bruce Nevin (20190810.09:48 ET)\] https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/7/eaaw2089 Reward associations do not explain transitive inference performance in monkeys We manipulated the amount of reward asso… --- ## [IAPCTfullprogammeV3.docx](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/iapctfullprogammev3-docx/5421)
**Author:** [@wmansell](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/wmansell)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [August 6, 2019, 5:02am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/iapctfullprogammev3-docx/5421 "2019-08-06T05:02:31Z")
Hi everyone, please find the full schedule of the IAPCT 2019 programme attached. All the best Warren IAPCTfullprogammeV3.docx (128 KB) --- ## [experimentation on what is real and what is not](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/experimentation-on-what-is-real-and-what-is-not/13752)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 2\ **Last updated:** [August 3, 2019, 1:19pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/experimentation-on-what-is-real-and-what-is-not/13752 "2019-08-03T13:19:05Z")
Using John Maynard Smith’s application of game theory to evolution, different strategies for coping with the natural world can be set against each other in simulations to see which approaches are fitter – in the sense… --- ## [AGI Brain: A Learning and Decision Making Framework for Artificial General Intelligence Systems based on Modern Control Theory](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/agi-brain-a-learning-and-decision-making-framework-for-artificial-general-intelligence-systems-based-on-modern-control-theory/766)
**Author:** [@Robert\_Levy](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Robert_Levy)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [July 31, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/agi-brain-a-learning-and-decision-making-framework-for-artificial-general-intelligence-systems-based-on-modern-control-theory/766 "2019-07-31T16:46:33Z")
This paper might be of interest to some members of the group: http://agi-conf.org/2019/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/paper\_21.pdf --- ## [what are the means of control?](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/what-are-the-means-of-control/15389)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 6\ **Last updated:** [July 31, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/what-are-the-means-of-control/15389 "2019-07-31T14:46:26Z")
\[Bruce Nevin 2019.07.26.08:42 ET\] An emotion is a perception. An emotion that we feel is genuine is involuntary. Does that mean that such perceptions cannot be controlled perceptions? Emotions arise from the ‘snap judg… --- ## [Full-Fledged Social PCT Model from an unexpected source!](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/full-fledged-social-pct-model-from-an-unexpected-source/4606)
**Author:** [@P0ck](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/P0ck)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [July 30, 2019, 2:03pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/full-fledged-social-pct-model-from-an-unexpected-source/4606 "2019-07-30T14:03:24Z")
\[Nicolas M Kirchberger 2019.11.24.08:05 ET\] Unbelievable, has anyone else heard of that? Christian psychologists came up with this full-fledged social control model in the 80s and put a christian theology bent on it. … --- ## [can behavior be controlled?](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/can-behavior-be-controlled/13210)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [July 22, 2019, 2:08pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/can-behavior-be-controlled/13210 "2019-07-22T14:08:24Z")
Bruce Nevin \[20190722.09:58 ET\] Boris criticizes the rest of us (and Rick in particular) for reporting the observation that behavior can be controlled. Let us set aside Boris’s misreading of this statement, as though Ri… --- ## [A simple demonstration](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-simple-demonstration/735)
**Author:** [@PHILIP\_JERAIR\_YERANO](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/PHILIP_JERAIR_YERANO)\ **Replies:** 16\ **Last updated:** [July 20, 2019, 7:46am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/a-simple-demonstration/735 "2019-07-20T07:46:10Z")
July 17 8:57 pm E points to S’s left index finger and asks “On which letter does this finger rest on the keyboard?â€?. E then asks S to imagine typing a particular letter. Which prompt does S respond faster to? --- ## [The other "stimulus" (was Re: Please help ID important CSGnet threads)](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/the-other-stimulus-was-re-please-help-id-important-csgnet-threads/11500)
**Author:** [@rsmarken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/rsmarken)\ **Replies:** 20\ **Last updated:** [July 20, 2019, 4:13am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/the-other-stimulus-was-re-please-help-id-important-csgnet-threads/11500 "2019-07-20T04:13:58Z")
\[Rick Marken 2019-06-08\_11:26:21\] \[Martin Taylor 2019.06.04.16.31\] MT: I disagree with Rick's new understanding of what Bill was saying, though I stand to be corrected, because Rick could easily be right about w… --- ## [Conscious and non-conscious control -- an easy demo](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/conscious-and-non-conscious-control-an-easy-demo/2840)
**Author:** [@MartinT](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/MartinT)\ **Replies:** 11\ **Last updated:** [July 17, 2019, 7:46am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/conscious-and-non-conscious-control-an-easy-demo/2840 "2019-07-17T07:46:31Z")
\[Martin Taylor 2019.06.13.14.51\] A lot of the discussion on CSGnet is about control of perceptions that are clearly conscious. According to Bill P's writings, at least on CSG-L and CSGnet, this means that they have not … --- ## [Please help ID important CSGnet threads](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/please-help-id-important-csgnet-threads/8897)
**Author:** [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\ **Replies:** 14\ **Last updated:** [July 17, 2019, 7:41am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/please-help-id-important-csgnet-threads/8897 "2019-07-17T07:41:17Z")
\[Bruce Nevin 20190530.09:01\] We are in process of setting up our IAPCT forum on a phpbb platform that will give us more capabilities than our present email listserv. The listserv preserves only the most recent three ye… --- ## [American Society of Cybernetics talks](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/american-society-of-cybernetics-talks/991)
**Author:** [@wmansell](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/wmansell)\ **Replies:** 7\ **Last updated:** [July 17, 2019, 7:41am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/american-society-of-cybernetics-talks/991 "2019-07-17T07:41:10Z")
Hi folks, here are the talks by Rick & myself. I think we did well to keep Bill’s legacy invigorated! Martin Taylor did a fascinating talk too! https://youtu.be/Lj18bYqm4ZQ https://youtu.be/P0tSGXg8-IM [Previous page](http://discourse.iapct.org/c/csgnet/csg2019/74.md) [Next page](http://discourse.iapct.org/c/csgnet/csg2019/74.md?page=2)