Archives

DOes this group has any archive of the messages which accessable by
the web?

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[From Dag Forssell 20030319 06:30]

Debaprasad,

At the present time, I am having a problem with my ISP, so the website
PCTresources.com is not up and runnig. It will be in a month or two. This
website will feature the CSGnet archives from the beginning of the mailing
list in August 1990.

I note that your question states "this group" without any mention
whatsoever of our subject matter, so perhaps you are just asking a large
number of discussion groups for this info. If you are indeed interested in
Perceptual Control Theory and have been lurking here, please introduce
yourself and let us know what you have learned so far and why you ask.

Recent logs can be requested from the mail server. Richard Kennaway can
provide (or provides) the archive starting from 1994 on his server. I don't
have the URL handy.

If you are serious, I can burn and send a CD to your mailing address in
Bangalore or wherever. The CD will have the archive through 2002 and lots
more wonderful stuff.

Best, Dag

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At 08:00 AM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:56:01 -0800
From: Debaprasad Mukherjee <debaprasad_mukherjee@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Archives

DOes this group has any archive of the messages which accessable by
the web?

=====
Debaprasad Mukherjee

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Christine and Dag Forssell
team@forsselltrans.com, www.forsselltrans.com
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Tel: +1 510 727 0767 Fax: +1 510 372 2776

Dear Dag,
Thank you for your reply and the information about archives.

No I was not asking a large no. of group for this info. It just
happened that I mentioned "this group".

I joined this group some months back as I maintain a strong interest
in Control and Dynamical Systems theory and Complexity theory. I have
been trying to read/scan the messages in this group for quite
sometime now but till now none of the topics which have been
discussed here has interested me. Or may be I was unable to
understand what the members are discuusing about.[This is more
probable. I dont have a huge knowledge background in the topics I
have mentioned above].

But, I am serious about learning from this group. Now, if you have
recognised my problem and is willing to spend some 10-15 minutes for
me, then I would request you to kindly put down a list of the major
subject areas of this group with a brief/5 lines description of the
topics. I shall be immensely benefitted by this and I beleive some
other lurking members too.

Regards and best wishes,
"DEB"

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:46:02 -0800
From: Forssell Translation Team <team@FORSSELLTRANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Archives

[From Dag Forssell 20030319 06:30]

Debaprasad,

At the present time, I am having a problem with my ISP, so the
website
PCTresources.com is not up and runnig. It will be in a month or
two. This
website will feature the CSGnet archives from the beginning of the
mailing
list in August 1990.

I note that your question states "this group" without any mention
whatsoever of our subject matter, so perhaps you are just asking a
large
number of discussion groups for this info. If you are indeed
interested in
Perceptual Control Theory and have been lurking here, please
introduce
yourself and let us know what you have learned so far and why you
ask.

Recent logs can be requested from the mail server. Richard Kennaway
can
provide (or provides) the archive starting from 1994 on his server.
I don't
have the URL handy.

If you are serious, I can burn and send a CD to your mailing
address in
Bangalore or wherever. The CD will have the archive through 2002
and lots
more wonderful stuff.

Best, Dag

At 08:00 AM 3/19/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:56:01 -0800
>From: Debaprasad Mukherjee <debaprasad_mukherjee@YAHOO.COM>
>Subject: Archives
>
>DOes this group has any archive of the messages which accessable
by
>the web?
>
>=====
>Debaprasad Mukherjee

Forssell Translation Team
Christine and Dag Forssell
team@forsselltrans.com, www.forsselltrans.com
2740 Gamble Court, Hayward 94542-2402 USA
Tel: +1 510 727 0767 Fax: +1 510 372 2776

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[From Mike Acree (990329.0740 PST)]

I went looking recently for the early political exchanges on the Net,
and was surprised and disappointed to find that only the past year was
available. Have all the previous postings simply vanished forever into
the ether? I wasn't necessarily looking for any dead horses to revive,
just curious about what I had missed. I didn't find any such exchanges
either in Closed Loop or among the "classical" posts preserved on the
website.

Mike

[From Rick Marken (990329.0830)]

Mike Acree (990329.0740 PST)

I went looking recently for the early political exchanges
on the Net, and was surprised and disappointed to find that
only the past year was available. Have all the previous
postings simply vanished forever into the ether?

Good question. I don't know. the person who could answer
this is Gary Cziko but I think he's out of town for a while.
I think the posts going back more than a year are saved, but
no forever. I don't know the policy. I think Marc Abrams and
Dag Forssell are doing some archiving of posts. Maybe they
can explain whether old posts die or just fade away.

Best

Rick

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[From Richard Kennaway (990329.1757 BST)]

[From Rick Marken (990329.0830)]

Mike Acree (990329.0740 PST)

I went looking recently for the early political exchanges
on the Net, and was surprised and disappointed to find that
only the past year was available. Have all the previous
postings simply vanished forever into the ether?

Good question. I don't know. the person who could answer
this is Gary Cziko but I think he's out of town for a while.
I think the posts going back more than a year are saved, but
no forever. I don't know the policy. I think Marc Abrams and
Dag Forssell are doing some archiving of posts. Maybe they
can explain whether old posts die or just fade away.

Isn't there some plan to put up the archives in some suitably whizzy
hyperlinked format?

Meanwhile, I have all postings (except spam) back to July 1994 (which is
still some years after the founding of CSGNET). They're not on the web,
but they could be put there unless there's any objection. They're in plain
digest format, five files to a month. There's a total of about 70MB.

-- Richard Kennaway, jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk, http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~jrk/
   School of Information Systems, Univ. of East Anglia, Norwich, U.K.

from [ Marc Abrams (990329.1437) ]

[From Rick Marken (990329.0830)]

Mike Acree (990329.0740 PST)

I went looking recently for the early political exchanges
on the Net, and was surprised and disappointed to find that
only the past year was available. Have all the previous
postings simply vanished forever into the ether?

I think Marc Abrams and Dag Forssell are doing some archiving of posts.

Maybe >they can explain whether old posts die or just fade away.

Dag Forssell has the archives. I am assisting him in his attempt to organize
and maintain them. He's the boss :slight_smile: and keeper of the flame.

I have all posts from 1992 - July of 1998. I have most of the remainder but
because of my health problems over the past year I can't guarantee _every_
post beyond that.
Dag has every post.

Marc

[From Bruce Gregory 9980408.1223 EDT)]

I am really pleased that the CSGnet exchanges are being
archived. They constitute a rich resource for anyone interested
in studying how people with a common set of beliefs and the best
of intentions can utterly fail to communicate with each other. I
must admit I not not optimistic about Northern Ireland or the
Middle East.

Bruce the Obscure

from [ Marc Abrams (990812.0011) ]

To Norman and others who might be nostalgic. Here is Bill's initial
suggestion for the one line header.

Marc

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