Are Cultures Control Systems?, The Test

[From Rick Marken (980318.1215)]

Bruce Gregory (980318.1115 EST)

Some might be not satisfied by simply guessing that the
individuals in a mob are controlling for "get it while you can".

I'm not. I'd go out and Test this guess (if I could) and continue
Testing until I knoew what the heck some particular individual
was controlling for.

They might wonder why a bunch of people who do not normally
control for this perception suddenly decide to start doing so.

I've sure wondered that. I've seen it happen! It's fascinating.

The answer might be that people control for a percpetion when
they perceive that others like them are now controlling for a
similar perception.

Yes. This happens when people turn into hybrid Control/S_R devices;-)
The perception of "others like them controlling for a similar
perception" (S) causes them to "control for that perception" (R).
I'd prefer to Test to see if people were controlling for a perception
(like "being part of the group") that was disturbed by "others like
themselves controlling for a similar perception" and corrected by
"controlling for that perception too".

Me:

Now you try to find a new pattern 2 that rats will _not_ work
to change pattern 1 into. Lets say you find it's this:

                    2' (altered signaled)
                 * * *

Have you learned what it is about pattern 2 that the subject
was controlling? That's how much your procedure tells you
about what the rat was controlling for in the signaled condition.

Bruce Abbott (980318.1445 EST) --

How does this differ from what you would learn by vertically
disturbing the position of point 2 and finding that the
participant always returned it to its original position?

You will be able to answer this question yourself when you have
learned how to do The Test. (Isn't it about time?!?!?!) Try doing
The Coin Game with a few of your friends and then we'll talk.

Bruce Gregory (9980318.1017 EST) --

It might be more accurate to say that parochialism reigns.

Jeff Vancouver (980318.1155 EST)

Agreed.

Yep. Bill and I run the only parochial school on the net. I hope
you guys have your vouchers;-)

Best

Rick

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[From Bruce Gregory (980318.1525 EST)]

Rick Marken (980318.1215)]

Yes. This happens when people turn into hybrid Control/S_R devices;-)
The perception of "others like them controlling for a similar
perception" (S) causes them to "control for that perception" (R).
I'd prefer to Test to see if people were controlling for a perception
(like "being part of the group") that was disturbed by "others like
themselves controlling for a similar perception" and corrected by
"controlling for that perception too".

You took the words right out of my mouth! Isn't it interesting
that some people control for "being part of the group" and
others don't? No need to answer. I know that you think it
_is_ interesting and also that you wonder what they are
controlling for that sets these different reference levels :wink:

Bruce

[From Bruce Gregory (980318.1645 EST)]

Rick Marken (980318.1215)]

Yes. This happens when people turn into hybrid Control/S_R devices;-)
The perception of "others like them controlling for a similar
perception" (S) causes them to "control for that perception" (R).
I'd prefer to Test to see if people were controlling for a perception
(like "being part of the group") that was disturbed by "others like
themselves controlling for a similar perception" and corrected by
"controlling for that perception too".

Just a p.s. It would be _very_ disturbing if any analysis at a
higher level of social organization predicted something that
conflicted with findings at the individual level. In exactly the
same way that it would be disturbing if a prediction made by on
the basis of chemistry clashed with a prediction made on the
basis of physics.

Bruce