Broken thermostats

Life, itself is a thermostat, metaphorically speaking: a self sustaining
entity. It takes in energy from the sun and expends it to sustain and
reproduce it self. Man is a bunch of thermostats, blood circulates, food
comes in and out as excrement, after the energy has been removed,
strength is maintained by eating and resting. loneliness is dealt with
by finding companions. reproduction by finding sexual partners. playing
the piano is a feed back loop, bad notes are corrected, faulty rhythm
by slowing, or speeding up.

So PTC defines life; even defines vegetables. Botany is a life science.
But how about broken thermostats? As a doctor I'm supposed to fix them.
PCT tells me how to diagnose them, but not how to fix them By
definition PCT does not tell me how to do anything. It is descriptive
theory. I need a prescriptive theory . And here I'll put in a plug for
BCT, which is a theory of how to do things. And, I believe, BCT is based
on causal thinking. It tells me cause low blood pressure[shock], to
return to normal; even tells me how cause an insane person to come to
his senses..
.
What is a child in PCT? It is not a thermostat, not self sustaining. It
needs a mother to take care of it. Mother and child are then a
thermostat.. A child becomes a thermostat when it grows up and can
sustain it self independently.

I'm making good sense to myself, how about to anyone in CSG?

Yours

John Appel

jappel2118.vcf (63 Bytes)

[from Jeff Vancouver 990308.1033 EST]

Dear John,

Everytime you post to this list a file with a .vcf extension is attached
that copies into my download file. I must then delete it. Can you please
figure out how to post without this attached file. In the meantime, I
would put in a vote in for less musing and more data.

Thank you.

Jeff Vancouver

ยทยทยท

At 09:39 AM 3/8/1999 -0500, you wrote:

Life, itself is a thermostat, metaphorically speaking: a self sustaining
entity. It takes in energy from the sun and expends it to sustain and
reproduce it self. Man is a bunch of thermostats, blood circulates, food
comes in and out as excrement, after the energy has been removed,
strength is maintained by eating and resting. loneliness is dealt with
by finding companions. reproduction by finding sexual partners. playing
the piano is a feed back loop, bad notes are corrected, faulty rhythm
by slowing, or speeding up.

So PTC defines life; even defines vegetables. Botany is a life science.
But how about broken thermostats? As a doctor I'm supposed to fix them.
PCT tells me how to diagnose them, but not how to fix them By
definition PCT does not tell me how to do anything. It is descriptive
theory. I need a prescriptive theory . And here I'll put in a plug for
BCT, which is a theory of how to do things. And, I believe, BCT is based
on causal thinking. It tells me cause low blood pressure[shock], to
return to normal; even tells me how cause an insane person to come to
his senses..
.
What is a child in PCT? It is not a thermostat, not self sustaining. It
needs a mother to take care of it. Mother and child are then a
thermostat.. A child becomes a thermostat when it grows up and can
sustain it self independently.

I'm making good sense to myself, how about to anyone in CSG?

Yours

John Appel

Attachment Converted: "C:\PROGRAM FILES\EUDORA\Attach\jappel214.vcf"

Sincerely,

Jeff

from [ Marc Abrams (990308.2134) ]

John, Before I get into your post may I again ask that you please post your
name and date at the head of the post similiar to mine above. Thanks again
for the courtesy

Life, itself is a thermostat, metaphorically speaking: a self sustaining
entity.

PCT is not a metaphor.

It takes in energy from the sun and expends it to sustain and
reproduce it self. Man is a bunch of thermostats, blood circulates, food
comes in and out as excrement, after the energy has been removed,
strength is maintained by eating and resting. loneliness is dealt with
by finding companions. reproduction by finding sexual partners. playing
the piano is a feed back loop, bad notes are corrected, faulty rhythm
by slowing, or speeding up.

So?

So PTC defines life;

Whats PTC?
Did you intend PCT?

even defines vegetables. Botany is a life science.

Interesting extension.

But how about broken thermostats? As a doctor I'm supposed to fix them.

You have spent a lifetime learning how to treat and "fix" _symptoms_ You
have ( the medical profession ) _very little_ understanding of _why_ things
take place, and even less of an understanding of what it might take to
actually begin to understand those processes. You have no clue, nor would
you have any understanding of why, what you were doing was succeeding of
failing.

PCT tells me how to diagnose them, but not how to fix them

No, Want to guess again?

By definition PCT does not tell me how to do anything.

Now your getting it.

It is descriptive theory. I need a prescriptive theory .

Yes, and like everyone else when we need a prescriptive theory, we make one
up. Regardless of the validity. Something say along the lines of BCT.

And here I'll put in a plug for BCT, which is a theory of how to do things.

Pleeeeze. The world according to Dr. John Appel. Hey, if it works for you,
go for it. I personally think it's abunch of %^#%^#. :-). Nothing personal
mind you. I just don't think it's anything more then _your_ world view.

And, I believe, BCT is based on causal thinking.

So was Hitler's purification program and the Salem witch hunts.

It tells me cause low blood pressure[shock], to return to normal;

Is shock the only "cause" of low blood pressure? What is "normal" blood
pressure anyway?

even tells me how cause an insane person to come to his senses..

Really?, how is the person "deemed" "insane" and what does it mean to "come
to his senses". I hope you don't use the DSM for your clinical diagnosis.
According to that tome there are only a few of us sane people left :-).

What is a child in PCT? It is not a thermostat, not self sustaining. It
needs a mother to take care of it. Mother and child are then a
thermostat.. A child becomes a thermostat when it grows up and can
sustain it self independently.

I suggest you read _Why they Cry_ by Hetty Van De Rijt and Frank Plooij. To
understand the development of control systems in babies and kids. Dag
Forrsell might have a copy. or know where to get one. But like B:CP, Dag's
work and Rick's work on the web, you will ignorantly and blissfully continue
to talk about something you have not the slightest clue about. It's a shame
for _all_ of us.

I'm making good sense to myself, how about to anyone in CSG?

Not close. Sorry

Marc