# Chapman

**URL:** <http://discourse.iapct.org/t/chapman/2460>\
**Category:** CSG1993\
**Created:** [December 15, 1993, 8:00pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/chapman/2460 "1993-12-15T20:00:07Z")\
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**Author:** ![\_Avery\_Andrews](http://discourse.iapct.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/_/848f3c/32.png) [@\_Avery\_Andrews](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/_Avery_Andrews)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 1993, 8:00pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/chapman/2460/1 "1993-12-15T20:00:07Z")

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[Avery.Andrews 931215.1458]

I'm not not sure what possessed me to mention Chapman, but I would like to  
point out that the glib-seeming quote was from a discussion of a rather  
substantial programming project where he expected to spend a lot of time  
writing decision-makers & found that most of the work was instead spent  
on perceptual functions. And I agree that much of what the Chapman-Agre  
people write seems rather obscure to us, but people often claim to find  
PCT hard to understand too - any reasonably short and crisp statement will  
seem obscure to people without the right background. For example, the  
PCT maxim that what is controlled is what is perceived seems obviously  
crazy to people who assume that perception implies consciousness  
(since people can control things without being conscious of them).

Well, so long from me to the end of January ...

Avery.Andrews@anu.edu.au