[From Dag Forssell (20090407 09:30 PST)]
Martin, (and other serious PCTers, past, present, and
future)
CSGnet is a unique resource. I am sure it will be studied with care by
future PCTers. There is a huge volume of discussion on many different
topics here, and many, many fine essays by Bill Powers summing up the
sometimes acrimonious discussions.
It took me a day of fiddling, but now about 900 MB of files are available
for your perusal at
ftp.pctresources.com user name: pctstudent password
re5earch!
(This opens the folder csgnet_archives with several subfolders. The
password must contain at least six characters including numbers and
punctuation marks.)
My long-time favorite file management program PowerDesk 7 got hung up
repeatedly during FTP uploads. I found FileZilla FTP Client, an open
source program, and find it much better. I will use it from now
on.
You do not have to download 900 MB. You can pick and choose which files
to download. For Eudora, you download mailboxes, then place them on your
hard disk right alongside the mailboxes (In, Out, Trash and such) that
Eudora creates when you install it. Next time you open Eudora, there they
are. You do not need tables of content, .toc files. Eudora will create
new ones from the mailbox .mbx files. .mbx files are the same for Windows
and Mac.
CSGnet_Word_digests_1990_2002_159MB
This is my original archive, consisting of Word files aggregated and
formatted to look pretty, by the month. For the early years, this is the
only record available unless Gary Cziko still has his optical disk with
an archive and we can read it. Gary and I gave up several years ago. For
the later years, zipped collections of digests are included.CSGnet_Kennaway_1994_2001_120MB
This is a backup. Kennaway collected logs from the server and shared
with me. If there is a question about the Word files, a researcher can
double-check here to see if Dag made a mistake when formatting the word
files.Eudora_mailboxes_1997_2009_382MB
I have long had my subscription to CSGnet set to digests (Dag
Forssell team@forsselltrans.com), but wised up a few years ago
and subscribed (duplicate) with individual posts as well (Dag Forssell
csgarchive@pctresources.com). Bruce Nevin shared his archive of
individual posts back to 1997. I have sorted through Bruce’s archive to
remove all personal posts. I think this archive of individual posts is
complete, but cannot be 100% sure.
A big advantage of this archive is that Eudora allows rather
sophisticated search of the individual posts. It can still be neigh
impossible to find a particular exchange you sort of remember, because
even though you can search for words and phrases using Eudora, the words
must be the ones used in the post, not the version you remember.
A duplicate is included in this archive in the digests folder. These
are digests from my original subscription to CSGnet, continuing where the
Word files end. Note that when searching in Eudora, you specify which
folders or mailboxes to include. You may limit your search to a
particular folder or time frame.Eudora_attachments_1999_2009_109MB
These are attachments to the individual posts, from Bruce Nevin’s
archive and mine.
In the word files, and in digests, you will find UUencoded
attachments. These can be extracted by creating a single file from the
rather obvious block of uniform gibberish and running a UUdecode program.
At one time I used Aladdin / Stuffit Expander. Here you could drag a
UUencoded file to the Stuffit window and presto, it was converted back to
the original attachment, file name and all.Eudora_program_PC_7.1_17MB
This is the Eudora program for Windows; the last issue available when
Eudora was placed in the public domain. Later, Open Source versions are
becoming available. See
http://www.eudora.com/Eudora_program_MAC_6.2.4_12MB
Closed_Loop_19MB
Thrown in for good measure, here are Closed Loops in two versions for
display as single pages or spreads - your choice. (I learned last year
that vision impaired people have trouble with side-by-side columns.
Therefore the single page version. It may also be easier to read
on-screen.)Best, Dag
···
At 09:52 PM 4/5/2009, you wrote:
Dag,
You mentioned some time ago that you were putting the CSGnet archives
onto pctresources.com. Is that imminent? I’d like to do some
statistics on the year-by-year trends of participation, as well as having
a record of the actual discussions.
If bringing up your site is not imminent, would it be an awful lot of
trouble for you to send me the pre-2000 ones (I have 1997, but I seem to
have lost the others). If they are too big for e-mail, you could upload
them to my ftp site:
ftp://ftp.mmtaylor.net
login: mmt_ftp
Password: Anonymous
Change directory to “incoming”.
Thanks for any help you can offer. If it’s a pain to do this, I can
wait for your site to come up.
Martin
