# Economic Test Bed (Private)

**URL:** <http://discourse.iapct.org/t/economic-test-bed-private/3816>\
**Category:** CSG2003\
**Created:** [December 7, 2003, 3:36am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/economic-test-bed-private/3816 "2003-12-07T03:36:26Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 4\
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**Author:** ![Marc\_Abrams1](http://discourse.iapct.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Marc\_Abrams1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Marc_Abrams1)\
**Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 3:36am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/economic-test-bed-private/3816/1 "2003-12-07T03:36:26Z")

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Bill,

I just read, and had to comment on BP's response to you on CSGnet.

He's a jerk. Your \_entire\_ post went right over his head.

Good luck in trying to work with this guy. \_PLEASE\_, do not set yourself up  
to fail with this guy. \_YOUR\_ life's work is just as important, and  
certainly to you, more important than \_anything\_ Bill might be able to  
provide you with.  
Don't ever forget, he has an agenda. A big one, and you would be wise to  
spell out what \_HE\_ wants and expects.

When things start getting tight he never, ever, looks at himself as a cause  
of his own problems, he's always trying to dish it out to someone else. Be  
prepared. He has established a pattern over 30 years that is pretty  
consistent.

Your buddy,

Darth 🙂

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**Author:** ![Bill\_Williams1](http://discourse.iapct.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/73ab20/32.png) [@Bill\_Williams1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Williams1)\
**Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 5:02am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/economic-test-bed-private/3816/2 "2003-12-07T05:02:02Z")

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Marc,

Promise me that you won't let me forget this! Not that I'm likely to, but  
just in case.

> **···**
>
> -----Original Message-----  
> From: Control Systems Group Network (CSGnet) on behalf of Marc Abrams  
> Sent: Sat 12/6/2003 9:36 PM  
> To: CSGNET@listserv.uiuc.edu  
> Subject: Re: Economic Test Bed (Private)
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I just read, and had to comment on BP's response to you on CSGnet.
> 
> He's a jerk. Your \_entire\_ post went right over his head.
> 
> Good luck in trying to work with this guy. \_PLEASE\_, do not set yourself up  
> to fail with this guy. \_YOUR\_ life's work is just as important, and  
> certainly to you, more important than \_anything\_ Bill might be able to  
> provide you with.  
> Don't ever forget, he has an agenda. A big one, and you would be wise to  
> spell out what \_HE\_ wants and expects.
> 
> When things start getting tight he never, ever, looks at himself as a cause  
> of his own problems, he's always trying to dish it out to someone else. Be  
> prepared. He has established a pattern over 30 years that is pretty  
> consistent.
> 
> Your buddy,
> 
> Darth 🙂

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**Author:** ![Bill\_Williams1](http://discourse.iapct.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/73ab20/32.png) [@Bill\_Williams1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Williams1)\
**Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 5:58am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/economic-test-bed-private/3816/3 "2003-12-07T05:58:08Z")

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Marc,

Your post really blasted Bill. However, he excuses himself on the grounds that his behavior amounts in effect to the American way.

When I started reading the email traffic on the CSGnet I was initially a bit puzzled by Bruce Gregory's postings. But, now I am getting the idea that there is something so ambiguous in Bill Powers' character that it may attract the sort of irony which people identify with Bruce Gregory.

I don't wish to sop up your time, but I welcome comments,

Your buddy

> **···**
>
> -----Original Message-----  
> From: Control Systems Group Network (CSGnet) on behalf of Marc Abrams  
> Sent: Sat 12/6/2003 9:36 PM  
> To: CSGNET@listserv.uiuc.edu  
> Subject: Re: Economic Test Bed (Private)
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I just read, and had to comment on BP's response to you on CSGnet.
> 
> He's a jerk. Your \_entire\_ post went right over his head.
> 
> Good luck in trying to work with this guy. \_PLEASE\_, do not set yourself up  
> to fail with this guy. \_YOUR\_ life's work is just as important, and  
> certainly to you, more important than \_anything\_ Bill might be able to  
> provide you with.  
> Don't ever forget, he has an agenda. A big one, and you would be wise to  
> spell out what \_HE\_ wants and expects.
> 
> When things start getting tight he never, ever, looks at himself as a cause  
> of his own problems, he's always trying to dish it out to someone else. Be  
> prepared. He has established a pattern over 30 years that is pretty  
> consistent.
> 
> Your buddy,
> 
> Darth 🙂

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**Author:** ![Marc\_Abrams1](http://discourse.iapct.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Marc\_Abrams1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Marc_Abrams1)\
**Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 7:42am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/economic-test-bed-private/3816/4 "2003-12-07T07:42:41Z")

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Bill,

Am I going crazy?

I just read your response to Bill on CSGnet. Why did you give him such a  
pass? Were you really concerned about Bill making fun of people who actually  
might have mental illness?

I can't believe that was your intent. I can't believe I misread you like  
that.

Please tell me that your response on CSGnet was to stay away from any  
possibility that you were somehow connected to me (and anything I might say)  
so Bill would not possibly 'turn' on you.

> Your post really blasted Bill.

Blasted him? How? By stating the obvious? Did I lie and make something up?  
Did I distort something? I hope I made him \_real\_ uncomfortable. I hope he  
thinks about what I said. But I'm not delusional. He will in all likelyhood  
view it as another attack upon his person by someone who is out to get him  
and simply brush it off, and that is to bad. For everyone.

Am I the only one who see's this? Am I the only one willing to tell him? Why  
is everyone so accepting of this outlandish behavior?

I was trying to make a point. Something he might actually consider, because  
\_that\_ (his insistence on attacking character, instead of ideas) is, I  
believe, the main reason PCT is where it is. Or I should more accurately say  
the reason PCT is \_NOT\_ where it should or needs to be. Bill simply can't  
work with others for any extended period of time. Just take a look at his  
track record. Whatever happened to his 2 partners? I don't want to tell you,  
but it had \_all\_ to do with Bill being incapable of seperating ones idea's  
from ones personality

> However, he excuses himself on the grounds that his behavior amounts in

effect to the American way.

Huh? What unadulterated BS

> When I started reading the email traffic on the CSGnet I was initially a

bit puzzled by Bruce Gregory's postings. \>But, now I am getting the idea  
that there is something so ambiguous in Bill Powers' character that it may  
attract \>the sort of irony which people identify with Bruce Gregory.

I \_LOVE\_ Bruce G. and yes, he might, at times, be a bit cryptic and/or  
sarcastic, but he is no phoney and he has been on CSGnet long enough for all  
the regulars to know \_exactly\_ who he is. It really doesn't take much to  
clarify with Bruce. He is extremely sincere and has been a \_huge\_ help to me  
over the years. I owe Bruce \_BIG TIME\_. More than he will ever know. I'm  
really looking forward to developing, I hope, a good relationship with you.  
I think we are off to a real good start and I'm anxious to get your take on  
some of my speculations. I think I might be able to help you more than you  
currently realize. Yes, I'm mainly interested in the physiological, and  
biological underpinnings of regulation (control) But a central issue to all  
this is \_why\_ do people do what they do? That is the question I am striving  
to answer. Control is \_part\_ of the answer and tells us \_how\_ we do \_some\_  
of things we do.  
If HPCT represents the 'physics'of human behavior, I'm interested in the  
'chemistry' of human behavior.

I don't believe Bill Powers' character is ambiguous. I think Bill is  
two-faced, and has some \_major\_ issues that date to his dad, as you pointed  
out yesterday. He walks around with a huge and obvious chip on his shoulder.

> I don't wish to sop up your time, but I welcome comments,

Please, you are a comforting respite from my studying and the current lack  
of response to my posts on CSGnet. Your comments and posts have been pure  
delights, both privately and on CSGnet.

A heretic often has a difficult time in church. 🙂

Darth