# Elections as collective control

**URL:** <http://discourse.iapct.org/t/elections-as-collective-control/15832>\
**Category:** Collective Control\
**Created:** [July 15, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/elections-as-collective-control/15832 "2021-07-15T16:41:05Z")\
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**Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 6:58pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/elections-as-collective-control/15832/8 "2021-07-16T18:58:51Z")

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> [@rsmarken](#):
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> RM: Right off the bat this situation is not the same as that in Kent’s “collective control” demo.

Of course it isn’t. There are lots more kinds of collective control, some of which look like Kent’s demonstration, some of which don’t, as I said right at the beginning of this transferred thread when you asked me what I meant by “collective control” and you told me that I didn’t meen whar I said I meant.

> [@Collective control, conflict, and stabilization](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/collective-control-conflict-and-stabilization/15838/3):
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> I understand a taxonomy of types of collective control, which all have in common just one property, that the actions of two or more distinct controllers all have some influence on a variable that is the same as would be observed if that variable were perceived and controlled by some single controller with a virtual reference level. Kent and I conventionally call such a collective controller a Griant Virtual Controller (GVC). The TCV can be applied to a GVC just as it can to any conventional controller controlling a perception by acting on its environment.

Think about it.

Martin

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