Examples of PCT Research

[From Rick Marken (2006.02.24.1050)]

I will be teaching a Research Methods course in the Psychology MA program at Antioch University Los Angeles starting in April. It's a weekend course, taught over five weekends. I plan to spend the first three weekends going over "conventional" research methods, which Phil Runkel calls "casting nets" since this kind of research typically involves studying groups. I will call it Policy Research. The topics covered during these first three weeks will include things like sampling, between/within subjects design, confounding, and statistical decision making. I want to devote the fourth week to methods of studying individuals (Phil calls this "testing specimens"; I'll call it the study of individual behavior). Here I want to explain how to study purposeful individual behavior using "the test" and working models of behavior. But I want to keep it simple, clear and relevant (this is a clinical masters program so the students are probably not going to be real interested in hearing a!
bout the results of tracking studies).

I'm writing to ask for suggestions regarding how to teach PCT research methods. What are good (ie. interesting) examples of PCT-based research that have been done or that COULD BE done? Are there studies in the "conventional" literature that could be used to illustrate PCT research in an interesting way? I though I might discuss the MOL as an example of individual research based on PCT. What do you think?

I'd particularly like hearing from those of you who have had experience teaching PCT methodology.

Any suggestions would be most helpful.

Thanks

Rick

Richard S. Marken, PhD
Psychology
Loyola Marymount University
Office: 310 338-1768
Cell: 310 729 - 1400

[From Bjorn Simonsen (2006.02.25,14:50 EST)]

[From Rick Marken (2006.02.24.1050)]

I’d particularly like hearing from those of you
who have

had experience teaching PCT methodology.

Now you are hearing from one who doesn’t have
experience teaching PCT methodology. But, nevertheless. Read it or not, it
depends on your references.

I guess someone tell you to spend three weekends going
over “conventional” research methods and one weekend on studying
individuals. The world asks to be deluded.

May I introduce this mail proposing you to start your
first lesson saying: “I will now spend three weekends telling you the way to obtain
statistical knowledge about the behavior exercised by a fictitious concept
called a group of human beings. This knowledge will be appreciated among other
scientists you meet. And I will weight something I call a misused concept, “significance”.
But I am sure you will get the last
word using this concept. Open your ears and listen when I advice you to not
explain individual perceptions of behavior by referring to such tests. If you
are going to explain individual behavior, I advice you to listen to my methods lectured
the last weekend”.

But I want to keep it simple, clear and relevant.

I’m writing to ask for suggestions regarding how
to

teach PCT research methods. What are good

(ie. interesting) examples of PCT-based research

that have been done or that COULD BE done?

Are there studies in the “conventional”
literature

that could be used to illustrate PCT research in

an interesting way? I though I might discuss the

MOL as an example of individual research based

on PCT. What do you think?

I think you know better what I am going to write. I propose you organize
your lectures around the Rubber Band Experiment. Hire or buy a web camera and a
program where you can see stills on your computer together with an indication
of time in 100 parts of a second. Organize the Rubber Band Game over a millimetre
scaled paper and the web camera above.

I don’t feel very well continuing, because I know you know better, Rick.
But I do continue.

  1. Ask the student
    

C to look at the student E’s hand and counteract what he is doing. Make a spreadsheet where you register the coordinates
for E’s hand and C’s hand and make a table below where you have functions
describing the motions and the motion direction of E’s and C’s hand (a2 + b2 =
c2 and tangent angle b = b/a) and correlate the actions of E and the actions of
C. Do the experiment when E uses 5 different Rubber Band Strengths and C uses
the same rubber band.

There are many statistical methods you can
use.

Make the experiment as a nil hypothesis
experiment and ask for the conclusion.

  1.   Do the same experiment
    

and ask C to keep the knot over the dot.

  1.   Do
    

the experiment as 2) but transform the dot to a circle with a diameter of about
5 cm. Tell them about tolerance. You and Martin taught me about tolerance
before Christmas.

  1. Use a Pen and put
    

a dot representing a knot on E’s Rubber Band and on C’s Rubber Band 2 an d 3 cm from the original knot. Now there
are three “knots” on the Rubber Band. Do the same experiment as 1 (C
counteracts E’s movements). Use the web
camera and after about 15 seconds they read the coordinates from the three “knots”
and from E’s hand. Use the spreadsheet and get the observations of the movement
to the three “knots” and correlate each of them with the movement of E’s hand.

  1. Do the same
    

experiment as 4, but ask C to choose one of the “knots” over the dot as in 2).
Study the statistics and ask why there is less correlation between the movement
of E’s hand and one of the movements to the “knots”. Introduce the test.

  1. Do the same
    

experiment as 5, but ask E to do the test relative to the three “knots”. Tell
the students about a better way to find out which perceptions people control. A
better way than statistics.

  1. I will not tell
    

you how it is possible for C to control his knot relative to a configuration or
a relationship or a program. I will neither not mention about the Rubber Band
Game and an Extern Conflict, because you know it better. But I will tell you an
idea about Extern Conflict and MOL. Let us say C is trying to put the knot over
dot M and E is trying to put the knot over dot N. After a short conflict, you
may ask how they agree about something that includes the dots M and N. And one
of the students will answer: “Maybe we can agree about moving the dot along a
line between M and N both together”. Now you have nice opportunity to tell them
about External conflicts and MOL.

Once again, I shouldn’t send this mail because Bill, Tom and you (and
other) know this much better than me.

Have a nice day.

bjorn

  1. Ask the C student to look at the E student’s hand and do the same.

[From Bryan Thalhammer (2006.02.25.0930 CST)]

Editorial:

First of all, when you teach a course in Research Methods in Psychology, I presume that the institution has some standards of what constitutes academic work for course credit. A course designer would work from the basic course description and the articulation needs, namely, its prerequisites, and followup courses that build on the content presented in the prerequisites and present course. That determines the basic structure of the course. In addition to that basic structure an individual professor can introduce new interpretations of existing methods and new research methods entirely.

Secondly, and I think most important, is to present PCT Research methods in the context of existing methodology, with the intention of showing how it may produce better and more usable results than traditional methods. Without a hook into traditional methods, the PCT presentation may not make sense. Since most psychological concepts are still very much grounded in linear causal chains, students may not be able to perceive much less control for the concept of cycles of causation that is incipient in a PCT explanation.

For that reason, Rick's plan of 3 weeks traditional / 1 week PCT has a much better chance of showing the contrasts, the advantages and the possibility of fruitful outcomes of the Test for the Controlled Variable, MOL, etc. It is a major paradigm shift, looking within the actor rather than from the point of view of the observer.

In that context, I see Bjorn's contributions as helpful.

Also in that context, I offer this blend:

* Present the basic stuff, no different than Henry Perkinson does in Learning through Mistakes and what Phil Runkel does in Casting Nets. However, and this is a big however, at the end of each chunk, present questions or challenges of how the traditional method may not really answer the question of a person (not a group) behaves and on the basis of what factors (reference settings?). Set up the last week with a presentation of the holes or failings of traditional methods. And it goes without saying that this is not a bait-and-switch, but a true intellectual and scientific challenge to the students.

* There is a sales aspect to this, of course, where the challenges or questions open the students to the possibility that the pyschoanalytic, behavioral, cognitive science, neuroscience, constructivist, and other cause/effect models may not adequately explain the behavior of living organisms. At the acceptance that there are some failures in these previous explanations, a proposal of the PCT explanation can be introduced.

* Then, of course, we know the rest: Excerpts from Casting Nets, MSOB, from Things We Do by Cziko, and Robertson, Goldstein, Mermel & Musgrave (1987/1999), "Testing the self as a control system: Theoretical and methodological issues, in Int. Journal Human-Computer Studies (1999) 50, 571-580. This last could be an interesting social psychology demonstration that could be shown in class?

It is, I guess, possible to begin the course with a direct proposal of the PCT explanation, but I believe this is risky, because it puts the presentation of a new paradigm during the initial honeymoon period of students with prof, and may start off the relationship on a shaky basis. So I think that the foregoing could be better.

Really, I think that Phil has the instructional model and his firm basis in stats shows the way. Bill's standard Rubber band demo, Dick and David's experiment and David and Tim Carey's MOL work might be the vehicles that help students to the basic PCT understanding?

--Bry

See:
Wiki Psychology:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology&gt;
Wiki Cognitive Science:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_science&gt;
Wiki Perceptual Control Theory:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptual_Control_Theory&gt;

···

[Bjorn Simonsen (2006.02.25,14:50 EST)]

[Rick Marken (2006.02.24.1050)]

I'd particularly like hearing from those of you who have
had experience teaching PCT methodology.

Now you are hearing from one who doesn�t have experience teaching PCT methodology. But, nevertheless. Read it or not, it depends on your references.

I guess someone tell you to spend three weekends going over "conventional" research methods and one weekend on studying individuals. The world asks to be deluded.

May I introduce this mail proposing you to start your first lesson saying: �I will now spend three weekends telling you the way to obtain statistical knowledge about the behavior exercised by a fictitious concept called a group of human beings. This knowledge will be appreciated among other scientists you meet. And I will weight something I call a misused concept, �significance�. But I am sure you will get the last word using this concept. Open your ears and listen when I advice you to not explain individual perceptions of behavior by referring to such tests. If you are going to explain individual behavior, I advice you to listen to my methods lectured the last weekend�.

But I want to keep it simple, clear and relevant.

I'm writing to ask for suggestions regarding how to
teach PCT research methods. What are good
(ie. interesting) examples of PCT-based research
that have been done or that COULD BE done?
Are there studies in the "conventional" literature
that could be used to illustrate PCT research in
an interesting way? I though I might discuss the
MOL as an example of individual research based
on PCT. What do you think?

I think you know better what I am going to write. I propose you organize your lectures around the Rubber Band Experiment. Hire or buy a web camera and a program where you can see stills on your computer together with an indication of time in 100 parts of a second. Organize the Rubber Band Game over a millimetre scaled paper and the web camera above.

I don�t feel very well continuing, because I know you know better, Rick. But I do continue.

1. Ask the student C to look at the student E�s hand and counteract what he is doing. Make a spreadsheet where you register the coordinates for E�s hand and C�s hand and make a table below where you have functions describing the motions and the motion direction of E�s and C�s hand (a2 + b2 = c2 and tangent angle b = b/a) and correlate the actions of E and the actions of C. Do the experiment when E uses 5 different Rubber Band Strengths and C uses the same rubber band.

There are many statistical methods you can use.

Make the experiment as a nil hypothesis experiment and ask for the conclusion.

2. Do the same experiment and ask C to keep the knot over the dot.

3. Do the experiment as 2) but transform the dot to a circle with a diameter of about 5 cm. Tell them about tolerance. You and Martin taught me about tolerance before Christmas.

4. Use a Pen and put a dot representing a knot on E�s Rubber Band and on C�s Rubber Band 2 an d 3 cm from the original knot. Now there are three �knots� on the Rubber Band. Do the same experiment as 1 (C counteracts E�s movements). Use the web camera and after about 15 seconds they read the coordinates from the three �knots� and from E�s hand. Use the spreadsheet and get the observations of the movement to the three �knots� and correlate each of them with the movement of E�s hand.

5. Do the same experiment as 4, but ask C to choose one of the �knots� over the dot as in 2). Study the statistics and ask why there is less correlation between the movement of E�s hand and one of the movements to the �knots�. Introduce the test.

6. Do the same experiment as 5, but ask E to do the test relative to the three �knots�. Tell the students about a better way to find out which perceptions people control. A better way than statistics.

7. I will not tell you how it is possible for C to control his knot relative to a configuration or a relationship or a program. I will neither not mention about the Rubber Band Game and an Extern Conflict, because you know it better. But I will tell you an idea about Extern Conflict and MOL. Let us say C is trying to put the knot over dot M and E is trying to put the knot over dot N. After a short conflict, you may ask how they agree about something that includes the dots M and N. And one of the students will answer: �Maybe we can agree about moving the dot along a line between M and N both together�. Now you have nice opportunity to tell them about External conflicts and MOL.

Once again, I shouldn�t send this mail because Bill, Tom and you (and other) know this much better than me.

Have a nice day.

bjorn

I'm writing to ask for suggestions regarding how to teach PCT research

methods. What are good (ie. interesting) examples of PCT-based research that
have been done or that COULD BE done?

A very simple, easy do-able example is obviously the rubber band demo from
Bill. Here's another one:
Get a couple of balloons on a stick from your local mac donalds. Ask your
students to keep the balloons balanced on that stick on the tip of a finger
and have others notice the amount of correction that is needed at the level
of the hand. The amount of correction varies per student while the balloon
maintains a relative stable position. Obviously you can measure the tension
of the muscles, relative to the correction. But this is a simple, visual
demo of how it works.
As Dr Ruth indicated, a lesson taught with humour is a lesson well
learned...

Marco Plas

[From Rick Marken (2006.02.26.1000)]

Thanks to all of you who have replied to me regarding my PCT research question. I appreciate all your suggestions. I was certainly planning to use the rubber band demo to illustrate my points. And, of course, I plan to make it clear that the group data approach is fine if you are interested in groups (as you would be if you were a policy wonk) but not if you want to understand the nature of the behavior of individuals.

What I am mainly looking for is references to existing research in the literature that was based on PCT or could be readily interpreted in terms of PCT. The Robertson, Goldstein, Mermel & Musgrave (1987/1999), study is a good example. I can also think of studies done by D. N. Lee where he knocked kids over by moving the walls of a room (the kid falls over by trying to control perceptual vertical when, in fact, gravitational vertical hasn't changed; it's clearly a demonstration of control of perception). I will also mentioned the baseball catching research I've been working on. And someone sent me an interesting-looking reference to research on "identity maintenance" though selective interaction with other people. This sounds like the kind of study I'm looking for; one that seems obviously consistent with PCT ("identity" sounds like a possible controlled variable) and that would be of interest to people who are getting a masters in clinical psychology.

Any other suggested references to PCT-relevant research that exists in the literature would be most welcome.

Thanks again for all of your suggestions. I will definitely be referring to them as I develop the course.

Best

Rick

···

---
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marken@mindreadings.com
Home 310 474-0313
Cell 310 729-1400

Rick Marken wrote:

[From Rick Marken (2006.02.26.1000)]

Rick,

Congratulations on finding your way back into teaching where you can now do it right. I think your students should have a ball, after they get over the shock of learning about a rational conception of behavior. You might also consider my paper, "The Phantom Plateau Returns," [Perceptual and Motor Skills, 1985, 61, 55-64.] That is the one where I had students working on solving the game Bill had built, containing the several different PVs that had to be mastered, and the plateaus in speed of reaction time associated with them. I liked it especially because it required control of cognitive variables for the complete solution. I keep hoping that PCT researchers develop more models of behavior above the levels that traditional psychologists try to write off as PCT being just about psychophysics. We did find, by querying the students afterwards, that cognitive rigidity (read resistance to reorganization ?) was the critical dimension regarding whether or not the student would achieve the complete solution. There were some flaws that you might correct, were you to run it again. We did not run enough subjects to survey how many different conceptions of the nature of the game they could come up with. Also, it's not clear to me whether you could develop a model for the performance that could take account of the several PVs involved. I would love to see that, if you could do it.

Best,

Dick

···

Thanks to all of you who have replied to me regarding my PCT research question. I appreciate all your suggestions. I was certainly planning to use the rubber band demo to illustrate my points. And, of course, I plan to make it clear that the group data approach is fine if you are interested in groups (as you would be if you were a policy wonk) but not if you want to understand the nature of the behavior of individuals.

What I am mainly looking for is references to existing research in the literature that was based on PCT or could be readily interpreted in terms of PCT. The Robertson, Goldstein, Mermel & Musgrave (1987/1999), study is a good example. I can also think of studies done by D. N. Lee where he knocked kids over by moving the walls of a room (the kid falls over by trying to control perceptual vertical when, in fact, gravitational vertical hasn't changed; it's clearly a demonstration of control of perception). I will also mentioned the baseball catching research I've been working on. And someone sent me an interesting-looking reference to research on "identity maintenance" though selective interaction with other people. This sounds like the kind of study I'm looking for; one that seems obviously consistent with PCT ("identity" sounds like a possible controlled variable) and that would be of interest to people who are getting a masters in clinical psychology.

Any other suggested references to PCT-relevant research that exists in the literature would be most welcome.

Thanks again for all of your suggestions. I will definitely be referring to them as I develop the course.

Best

Rick
---
Richard S. Marken Consulting
marken@mindreadings.com
Home 310 474-0313
Cell 310 729-1400

Dick, this reminds me of Rokeach The Open and Closed Mind, on
open/closed vs rigidity. Would be interesting and of value to update his
doodlebug problem with PCT savvy. Do you have your paper in an online
form that you could forward? Would love to look at it.

  /Bruce

···

-----Original Message-----
From: Control Systems Group Network (CSGnet)
[mailto:CSGNET@LISTSERV.UIUC.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Robertson
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:57 PM
To: CSGNET@LISTSERV.UIUC.EDU
Subject: Re: Examples of PCT Research

Rick Marken wrote:

[From Rick Marken (2006.02.26.1000)]

Rick,

Congratulations on finding your way back into teaching where you can now
do it right. I think your students should have a ball, after they get
over the shock of learning about a rational conception of behavior. You
might also consider my paper, "The Phantom Plateau Returns," [Perceptual
and Motor Skills, 1985, 61, 55-64.] That is the one where I had students
working on solving the game Bill had built, containing the several
different PVs that had to be mastered, and the plateaus in speed of
reaction time associated with them. I liked it especially because it
required control of cognitive variables for the complete solution. I
keep hoping that PCT researchers develop more models of behavior above
the levels that traditional psychologists try to write off as PCT being
just about psychophysics. We did find, by querying the students
afterwards, that cognitive rigidity (read resistance to reorganization
?) was the critical dimension regarding whether or not the student would
achieve the complete solution. There were some flaws that you might
correct, were you to run it again. We did not run enough subjects to
survey how many different conceptions of the nature of the game they
could come up with. Also, it's not clear to me whether you could
develop a model for the performance that could take account of the
several PVs involved. I would love to see that, if you could do it.

Best,

Dick

Thanks to all of you who have replied to me regarding my PCT research
question. I appreciate all your suggestions. I was certainly planning
to use the rubber band demo to illustrate my points. And, of course, I

plan to make it clear that the group data approach is fine if you are
interested in groups (as you would be if you were a policy wonk) but
not if you want to understand the nature of the behavior of

individuals.

What I am mainly looking for is references to existing research in the

literature that was based on PCT or could be readily interpreted in
terms of PCT. The Robertson, Goldstein, Mermel & Musgrave (1987/1999),

study is a good example. I can also think of studies done by D. N. Lee

where he knocked kids over by moving the walls of a room (the kid
falls over by trying to control perceptual vertical when, in fact,
gravitational vertical hasn't changed; it's clearly a demonstration of

control of perception). I will also mentioned the baseball catching
research I've been working on. And someone sent me an
interesting-looking reference to research on "identity maintenance"
though selective interaction with other people. This sounds like the
kind of study I'm looking for; one that seems obviously consistent
with PCT ("identity" sounds like a possible controlled variable) and
that would be of interest to people who are getting a masters in
clinical psychology.

Any other suggested references to PCT-relevant research that exists in

the literature would be most welcome.

Thanks again for all of your suggestions. I will definitely be
referring to them as I develop the course.

Best

Rick
---
Richard S. Marken Consulting
marken@mindreadings.com
Home 310 474-0313
Cell 310 729-1400

[From Rick Marken (2006.02.27.1025)]

From Richard Robertson

Congratulations on finding your way back into teaching where you can now
do it right.

Maybe. I'm tryin'!

You might also consider my paper, "The Phantom Plateau Returns," [Perceptual
and Motor Skills, 1985, 61, 55-64.]

Yes. One of my favorites. That will definitely be in the mix.

Thanks Dick

Best

Rick

Richard S. Marken, PhD
Psychology
Loyola Marymount University
Office: 310 338-1768
Cell: 310 729 - 1400

[from Jeff Vancouver (2006.02.28.0922)]

Rick,

I am not sure the clinical folks will appreciate this stuff, but it is
PCT-based, published, and psychological.

Jeff

Vancouver J. B., Putka, D. J., & Scherbaum, C. A. (2005). Testing a
Computational Model of the Goal Level Effect: An Example of a Neglected
Methodology. Organizational Research Methods, 8, 100 127.

Vancouver, J. B., Thompson, C. M., & Williams, A. A. (2001). The
changing signs in the relationships between self efficacy, personal
goals and performance. Journal of Applied Psychology, 86, 605-620.

Vancouver, J. B. & Putka, D. J. (2000). Analyzing Goal-Striving Behavior
and a Test of the Generalizability of Perceptual Control Theory.
Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, 82, 334-362.

Jeffrey B. Vancouver
Associate Professor
Department of Psychology
Ohio University
Athens, OH 45701
740-593-1071

From: Control Systems Group Network (CSGnet)
[mailto:CSGNET@LISTSERV.UIUC.EDU] On Behalf Of Rick Marken
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:09 PM
To: CSGNET@LISTSERV.UIUC.EDU
Subject: Re: Examples of PCT Research

[From Rick Marken (2006.02.26.1000)]

Thanks to all of you who have replied to me regarding my PCT research
question. I appreciate all your suggestions. I was certainly planning
to use the rubber band demo to illustrate my points. And, of course, I
plan to make it clear that the group data approach is fine if you are
interested in groups (as you would be if you were a policy wonk) but
not if you want to understand the nature of the behavior of

individuals.

What I am mainly looking for is references to existing research in the
literature that was based on PCT or could be readily interpreted in
terms of PCT. The Robertson, Goldstein, Mermel & Musgrave (1987/1999),
study is a good example. I can also think of studies done by D. N. Lee
where he knocked kids over by moving the walls of a room (the kid

falls

over by trying to control perceptual vertical when, in fact,
gravitational vertical hasn't changed; it's clearly a demonstration of
control of perception). I will also mentioned the baseball catching
research I've been working on. And someone sent me an
interesting-looking reference to research on "identity maintenance"
though selective interaction with other people. This sounds like the
kind of study I'm looking for; one that seems obviously consistent

with

···

-----Original Message-----
PCT ("identity" sounds like a possible controlled variable) and that
would be of interest to people who are getting a masters in clinical
psychology.

Any other suggested references to PCT-relevant research that exists in
the literature would be most welcome.

Thanks again for all of your suggestions. I will definitely be
referring to them as I develop the course.

Best

Rick
---
Richard S. Marken Consulting
marken@mindreadings.com
Home 310 474-0313
Cell 310 729-1400

[From Rick Marken (2006.02.28.0835)]

Jeff Vancouver (2006.02.28.0922)--

Rick,

I am not sure the clinical folks will appreciate this stuff, but it is
PCT-based, published, and psychological.

Jeff

Vancouver J. B., Putka, D. J., & Scherbaum, C. A. (2005). Testing a
Computational Model of the Goal Level Effect: An Example of a Neglected
Methodology. Organizational Research Methods, 8, 100 127.

Vancouver, J. B., Thompson, C. M., & Williams, A. A. (2001). The
changing signs in the relationships between self efficacy, personal
goals and performance. Journal of Applied Psychology, 86, 605-620.

Vancouver, J. B. & Putka, D. J. (2000). Analyzing Goal-Striving Behavior
and a Test of the Generalizability of Perceptual Control Theory.
Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, 82, 334-362.

Yes. These look great. I don't suppose you have electronic versions you could send to me?

Best

Rick

···

---
Richard S. Marken Consulting
marken@mindreadings.com
Home 310 474-0313
Cell 310 729-1400

[From Rick Marken (2006.03.01.0830)]

Jeff Vancouver (2006.02.28.0922)--

I am not sure the clinical folks will appreciate this stuff, but it is
PCT-based, published, and psychological.

Vancouver J. B., Putka, D. J., & Scherbaum, C. A. (2005).

Vancouver, J. B., Thompson, C. M., & Williams, A. A. (2001).

Vancouver, J. B. & Putka, D. J. (2000).

By the way, Jeff. Do any of these papers involve testing one person at a time? That's one of the main things (besides testing for controlled variables and the use of modeling) I want to use to distinguish research based on PCT (which is about the purposeful behavior of _individuals_) from conventional research (which I call "policy research" because it is about the effect of interventions on the behavior of _groups_ (ignoring the fact that these interventions have quite differnet effects on the behavior of each individual in the group).

Best

Rick

Richard S. Marken, PhD
Psychology
Loyola Marymount University
Office: 310 338-1768
Cell: 310 729 - 1400