[From Fred Nickols (2010.05.24.1912 PDT)]
Um, er, ahem...I was part of that conversation too and I'm still waiting to
find out what Bruce G saw in that led him to remark about the purpose of
CSGNet. I don't get it and I hate being puzzled.
Fred Nickols
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From: Control Systems Group Network (CSGnet)
[mailto:CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Powers
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:04 PM
To: CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU
Subject: Re: Gambling and PCT
[From Bill Powers (2010.05.24.1855 MDT)]
Bruce Gregory (2010.05.24.1828 EDT) --
BP earlier: Thank you. I was hoping it would be helpful. But I
don't know what understanding of the purpose of CSGnet you started
with, or what it is now. Can you expand on that?
I would if I thought I could do constructively. I have found this to
be impossible, so I will remain silent. I am trying to live by the
wisdom of my two inspirations: Benjamin Disraeli and Thumper's
father: Never complain and never explain, and if you can't say
something nice, don't say anything at all.
I like the part about not complaining, though not explaining sounds a
bit overbearing, like "I'm right so shut up." And of course I'd
rather hear nice things, as I think most people would. If you never
say anything, though, won't people begin to think you just can't
think of anything at all constructive to say?
Best,
Bill P.
[From Bruce Gregory (2010.05.25.0637 EDT)]
[From Fred Nickols (2010.05.24.1912 PDT)]
Um, er, ahem…I was part of that conversation too and I’m still waiting to
find out what Bruce G saw in that led him to remark about the purpose of
CSGNet. I don’t get it and I hate being puzzled.
Fred Nickols
BG: Sorry about leaving you puzzled. I am having trouble formulating what I was referring to in a constructive way. As I see it, CSGnet is a sandbox. You can play in the sandbox, but you must play by the rules. The first rule is that you cannot question the rules.
Namaste,
Bruce
[From Bruce Gregory (2010.05.25.0700 EDT)]
[From Fred Nickols (2010.05.24.1912 PDT)]
Um, er, ahem…I was part of that conversation too and I’m still waiting to
find out what Bruce G saw in that led him to remark about the purpose of
CSGNet. I don’t get it and I hate being puzzled.
BG: A bit more on your contributions. I thought they were informative and demonstrated a multiplicity of goals. They illustrated a hierarchy to those who already believed in a hierarchy. MOL appears to me to be a process that reveals an auto-associative memory at work. To the extent the process reminds one of goals, particularly goals that conflict, I suspect it is useful.
Namaste,
Bruce
[From Bruce Gregory (2010.05.25.0705 EDT)]
[From Bill Powers (2010.05.24.1855 MDT)]
I like the part about not complaining, though not explaining sounds a bit overbearing, like "I'm right so shut up."
BG: You are, of course, free to interpret a lack of explanation any way you like.
And of course I'd rather hear nice things, as I think most people would. If you never say anything, though, won't people begin to think you just can't think of anything at all constructive to say?
BG: They would not be mistaken.
Namaste,
Bruce
[From Rick Marken (2010.05.25.0720)]
Bruce Gregory (2010.05.25.0637 EDT)–
BG: As I see it, CSGnet is a sandbox. You can play in the sandbox, but you must play by the rules. The first rule is that you cannot question the rules.
Has your experience been different in other sandboxes? Why do you want to play in this sandbox anyway?
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Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
www.mindreadings.com
[From Bruce Gregory (2010.05.25.1030 EDT)]
[From Rick Marken (2010.05.25.0720)]
Bruce Gregory (2010.05.25.0637 EDT)–
BG: As I see it, CSGnet is a sandbox. You can play in the sandbox, but you must play by the rules. The first rule is that you cannot question the rules.
Has your experience been different in other sandboxes? Why do you want to play in this sandbox anyway?
BG: You are absolutely correct. This sandbox belongs to the true believers. You have made it perfectly clear that I am not one of them. Good luck. Bye.
Namaste,
Bruce
This is to Bruce Gregory… B.S. Bruce! Gird up
your loins and do battle. No one’s perfect – except for me.
Stick around; your questions always stimulate my thinking.
Fred Nickols
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From: Control Systems
Group Network (CSGnet) [mailto:CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU] On Behalf Of Bruce
Gregory
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:30 AM
To: CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU
Subject: Re: Gambling and PCT
[From Bruce Gregory (2010.05.25.1030 EDT)]
[From Rick Marken (2010.05.25.0720)]
Bruce Gregory (2010.05.25.0637
EDT)–
BG: As I see it, CSGnet is a sandbox. You can play in the
sandbox, but you must play by the rules. The first rule is that you cannot
question the rules.
Has your experience been different in other sandboxes? Why do you want to play
in this sandbox anyway?
BG: You are absolutely correct. This sandbox belongs to the
true believers. You have made it perfectly clear that I am not one of them.
Good luck. Bye.
Namaste,
Bruce
[From Rick Marken (2010.05.25.0820)]
Bruce Gregory (2010.05.25.1030 EDT)–
Rick Marken (2010.05.25.0720)–
Bruce Gregory (2010.05.25.0637 EDT)–
BG: As I see it, CSGnet is a sandbox. You can play in the sandbox, but you must play by the rules. The first rule is that you cannot question the rules.
Has your experience been different in other sandboxes? Why do you want to play in this sandbox anyway?
BG: You are absolutely correct.
Those were questions, not statements. How can questions be correct or incorrect?
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Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
www.mindreadings.com