# Giving up on DEMODISK **URL:** \ **Category:** CSG1995\ **Created:** [March 22, 1995, 12:23am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/giving-up-on-demodisk/4772 "1995-03-22T00:23:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 2\ **Page:** 1

**Author:** ![dforssell](http://discourse.iapct.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@dforssell](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/dforssell)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 1995, 12:23am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/giving-up-on-demodisk/4772/1 "1995-03-22T00:23:02Z")

[From Dag Forssell (950321 1600)] I give up. I have tried to update the PCTdemos disk with a few additional files. To make room, I removed the AS-EASY-AS shareware spreadsheet. I fit everything with a shoehorn. But I kept finding posts and threads that could help newcomers to CSGnet. I have resolved the conflict by splitting the disk in two: PCTdemos and PCTtexts. (I'll offer both for the nominal $10). This allows me to continue to include the shareware on the PCTdemos disk. Since the PCTtexts expand (PCTdemos held 641 KB of text), I have created a descriptive list to be included in a readme file on the PCTtexts disk. Shown below. I have the entire CSGnet archive sitting on my hard disk at the moment. It occupies 51 MB. I have converted most of my files to WordPerfect 5.1 format along the way. (Greg Williams has a complete set in the original archive form and so does Gary Cziko. We think that future historians will be interested and like to see the archives duplicated in several places). I am willing to back up the 51 MB on a DC 2120 cartridge formatted QIC-80 if someone wants to peruse old posts. If so, does back up software make a difference? I have a Colorado tape backup system. With compression, a cartridge holds about 120 MB. Without, 60 MB. I find it a rich lode to mine. If someone has an interest or comments on how to share a large quantity of data, I'd like to hear from you. The 2.2 MB shown below occupy 810 KB as a self-extracting archive file. Will anyone have a problem with this? Is there any reason to break the 58 files into groups? If so, on what basis? Does anyone have suggestions for particular "jewel" posts or suggestions for threads that should be included in this list, now or in the future. I expect to submit the archive file(s) to Gary Cziko shortly so he can put it on the WWW server. Here is the list as I have it today: > **···** > > ------------------------------------ > 58 Files using 2,185,696 bytes > > Filename Bytes Short description > > AUTISM . 32,679 On Autism and Belief > BPR-L .THD 28,144 PCT intro to Business Process Reengineering list > CORRELAT.ION 13,158 Bad data illustrated > CROWD\_LO.GIC 7,802 Logical and sub-logical analysis > DEPRESS .ION 17,440 Explanation and clinical terminology > DESCARTE.ERR 10,878 Descartes' Error, An Anthropologist on Mars > DISPUTE .PCT 47,960 The Dispute over PCT > ECONOMIC.S 49,736 Economics: The interaction of Control systems. > ENGINEER.PCT 52,195 Posts about engineering, terminology, and PCT > EPIPHANI.ES 25,615 Break out of Stimulus-\> Response thinking > EQUAL\_OP.POS 24,546 Action always equal and opposite disturbance > FABLE\_RA.DIO 10,453 The Fable of the Radio. By Greg Williams > GLASSER 41,001 Comments on Glasser, Book review, and foreword. > GOTTA .PEE 3,164 Half an hour in the life of an HPCT system > HIAWATHA. 4,952 Hiawathas poem on statistics > INTRO .PCT 6,549 Introduction to Control Theory > [INTROCSG.NET](http://INTROCSG.NET) 26,304 START HERE!!! Monthly introduction to CSGnet. > KNOWING . 10,368 Objective modeling vs direct experience > MODELING.PCT 7,776 On modeling behavior using control theory > NEWCOMER.001 402,264 A psychologist joins CSGnet. Discussion. > NEWCOMER.002 631,848 A skeptical engineer joins CSGnet. Albus. > NON EXPL.AIN 6,894 Dormitive principles, Non-explanations > OLDIDEAS.PCT 9,454 PCT, behavioral theories, and experience > OPEN\_MIN.D 16,480 Thread on the theme of an "open mind," > OTHER [NA.ME](http://NA.ME) 7,439 By Any Other Name: the word Control > OTHER\_TH.EOR 7,917 PCT and other theories > PERCEPT .LVL 92,287 Thread on levels of perception > PHYSICS .END 22,350 The end of physics and other comments > POLICE .PCT 9,537 Policing PCT purity and correctness > POWER\_CU.RVE 12,755 Avoid making that committment to any belief. > PROPERT .IES 7,459 Event and property centered explanations > PURPOSIV.TRM 12,205 Terminology of purposive behavior > QUESTION.PCT 26,605 A reasonable set of comments and questions. > REALITY . 13,362 Experience, Reality, and HPCT > REAL\_LIF.E 4,841 Rubber Band Demo to Real Life > RELIGION. 20,448 Thread on religion. > REORGANI.ZAT 9,208 A Clinicians view of Reorganization > REPLICAT.ION 32,883 Posts on replication: > RESOURCE.PCT 74,732 PCT Introduction and Resource Guide. > RESPONSI.BLE 68,721 Thread on responsibility > ROTTEN .APP 9,439 Rotten apples: solipsism; learning > RUMOR .SCI 6,564 Scientific rumors > SCIENCE .PSY 15,815 Musings on science, American Psychology > SIMPLE\_F.AST 7,897 Open loop faster and simpler > SKINNER .MIS 25,915 Skinners Mistake. Essay by Bill Powers > SOCIAL .CTL 5,630 Social control (systems) > SOCIAL .POW 11,900 On Kent McClelland's paper about social power > STAR\_TRE.K 37,738 Discussion of Operant conditioning > STUDY\_IV.DV 7,825 Independent Variable - Dependent Variable > TENDENCY.BIA 8,514 Tendencies and biases > TOUGH\_SE.LL 59,655 The "tough sell" of PCT and social interactions > TUTORIAL.PCT 18,813 Controlled versus controlling; a tutorial > UP 2A\_PO.INT 5,071 Behavior understandable - at least up to a point > VIOLENCE.PCT 6,830 Is PCT really about violence? > VIRTUAL .RLT 9,913 Virtual Reality conference > VOLTAGE-.DIG 13,691 Words, meanings, computations > WHAT\_IS .SCI 9,196 What is science? - Theory, look for evidence? > WORD\_MOD.EL 12,181 Words and models > > ------------------------- > > I'll appreciate any comment > > Best, Dag ---

**Author:** ![Bill\_Leach1](http://discourse.iapct.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/848f3c/32.png) [@Bill\_Leach1](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/Bill_Leach1)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 1995, 2:11am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/giving-up-on-demodisk/4772/2 "1995-03-24T02:11:06Z")

\<[Bill Leach 950323.20:28 EST(EDT)] > [Dag Forssell (950321 1600)] Splitting the disks sounds like a good idea to me as well. > ... archive form and so does Gary Cziko. We think that future > historians will be interested and like to see the archives duplicated in > several places). I actually would like to get a complete copy of the archives. I would have little trouble keeping a couple of hundred meg on Optical media. > I am willing to back up the 51 MB on a DC 2120 cartridge formatted > QIC-80 if someone wants to peruse old posts. If so, does back up > software make a difference? I have a Colorado tape backup system. With > compression, a cartridge holds about 120 MB. Without, 60 MB. Yes, back up software makes an immense difference. Probably the only suitable backup software is BRU or TAR as these two are the only ones that I know of that are available across platforms. As far as compression goes, the GNU zip is the safest one to use because again, all platforms have that one available (usually most versions of the MSDOS world PKZIP are compatable -- though not all). The 'self-extracting archive' can be a serious problem since either it must be extractable with something like GNUZIP or the person has to have the right computer. Again, the PKZIP self-extracting archives that I have seen (certainly not all types) have extracted with GNUZIP. I seems like grouping could be useful but right off hand I can't think of the kinds of groups that should be used (at least not a complete set). Additionally, most really good threads would probably 'fall' into more than one group so... -bill