[From Rick Marken (960923.1100)]
Hans Blom (960923b]
I don't want to start a religious discussion here, nor do I want to
peddle my thoughts about the relationship between the concept of
"God" and internal models -- however interesting. But I _would_ like
to know how you came to make this comparison.
There is no more evidence for an external "God" in human life than there is
for "internal models" in human controlling. You continue to talk as though
there were some basis for believing that "internal models" are an important
aspect of control. But you have described no data that requires an
explanation using an internal model. Thus, your discussions of "internal
models" are like interminable Sunday sermons.
Talk about "internal models" with someone who cares;-)
Could you tell me how the concept of "God" fits into the PCT scheme
of things
It's an imagined perception. Though it can be turned into an actual
perception (there was a picture of god in one of my "Golden Bible" books
when I was a kid).
Me:
I have never set a reference for the perception of having someone
dead. But I can sure tell that OJ did.
Hans Blom (960923e) --
No joke? How can you know?
Based on evidence that he resisted disturbances (the victims fighting back,
one of the victims trying to interfere with the murder of the other) in
order to achieve this result.
Can you, like God (well, you introduced Him ;-), look into the hearts (or
brains) of people?
Well, now that you mention it, yes. Have you seen the "mind reading" demo?
Isn't it possible that you confuse a reference with an "unintended" side
effect of controlling for something quite unrelated (as to goal, not
as to means)?
Yes. But we can increase our confidence as high as we like by continuing to
make sure that the supposed controlled variable is protected from the effects
of disturbance variables and not protected from the effect of non-disturbance
variables.
I'm not talking about whether you have sufficient evidence _in this
case_...but whether one could know _in principle_.
Yes. I've demonstrated many times that you can obtain sufficient evidence to
determine what a person is controlling, in principle and in fact.
I doubt it.
If you still doubt it after doing the "mind reading" demo then I'm quite sure
that your are simply not interested in being convinced.
RSM