[From Rick Marken (930315.1300)]
Allan Randall (930314.1830) --
How can you say this, when the sole purpose of the control
system is to oppose the disturbance? It can't oppose something
it has NO information about. It simply cannot.
Bill Powers (930315.0700) --
When you get this figured out, you can finally claim to
understand PCT.
And that is why I'm pushing and pushing on this point; whether
or not Allen gets it figured out I think it is still valuable to
keep this apprently picky little matter (whether there is
information about the disturbance in the perceptual signal
of a control system) right up there in from of CSG-L because this
is the razor's edge -- where you either cross the threshold and
"get it" (see what is going on here in PCTland -- output guides
input, NOT vice versa)) or get spooked and return to the
comfortably false assumptions of conventional behavioral science --
input guides output (perhaps retaining some of the language of
PCT, like the Karolyans -- I like it, a new name for the false
prophets of PCT).
For the benefit of those of you with children, the "information
about the disturbance" discussion could begin a naked and violent
process of REORGANIZATION in some of the participants-- it is
therefore rated R.
Best
Rick