Mark tried route 2) first, and on more than one occasion. I've taken the
liberty of including a post of his that brought _zero_ response. In
[Mark Lazare 990421] he posted about his area of interest (suicide
prevention). The post invited participation and comment. But not a peep
from anyone.
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In a message dated 4/21/99 7:39:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
kurtzer@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU writes:
<< Thats nice, now lets talk about PCT >>
I would like some help building a frame of PCT around these points.
The following statistic's from
CDC - National Center for Injury Prevention and Control Suicide in the
United
States
The Problem
� Suicide took the lives of 30,484 Americans in 1992 (11.1 per 100, 000
population) 1
� More people die from suicide than from homicide in the United States.
� On an average day, 84 people die from suicide and an estimated 1,900
adults
attempt suicide.
� Males are at least four times more likely to die from suicide than are
females. However, females are more likely to attempt suicide than are
males.
� In 1992, white males accounted for 73 % of all suicides. Together, white
males and white females account for almost 91% of all suicides. Suicide
rates
are higher than the national average for some groups of Asian and Native
Americans.
� Suicide rates are generally higher than the national average in the
western
states and lower in the eastern and Midwestern states.
� Nearly 60 % of all suicides are committed with a firearm.
� Suicide rates increase with age and are highest among- Americans aged 65
years and older.
� The ten-year period, 1980-1990, was the first decade since the 1940s
that
the suicide rate for older residents rose instead of declined.
� Firearms were the most common method of suicide used by both men (74%)
and
women (31%).
� Risk factors for suicide among older persons differ from those among the
young. Older persons have a higher prevalence of alcohol abuse,
depression, a
greater use of highly lethal methods, and social isolation. They also make
fewer attempts per completed suicide, have a higher male-to-female ratio
than
other groups, have often visited a health-care provider before their
suicide,
and have more physical illnesses.
� Persons under age 25 years accounted for 16.4% of all suicides in 1992.
From 1952-1992, the incidence of suicide among adolescents and young adults
nearly tripled. From 1980-1992, the rate of suicide among persons aged
15-19
years increased by 28.3 % and among persons aged 10-14 years by 120%. For
African American males aged 15-19, the rate increased 165.3 %.
� For young, people 15 to 24 years old, suicide is the third leading
cause of
death, behind unintentional injury and homicide. In 1992 more teenagers
and
young adults died from suicide than died from cancer, heart disease, AIDS,
birth defects, stroke, pneumonia and influenza, and chronic lung disease
combined.
� Among persons aged 15-19 years, firearm-related suicides accounted for
81 %
of the increase in the overall rate of suicide from 1980-1992.
� People living in a household where a firearm is kept are almost five
times
more likely to die by suicide than people who live in gun-free homes.
(Ref.:
Kellerman et al, Suicide in the home in relation to gun ownership. New
England Journal of Medicine 1992;327;467-72)
� The risk for suicide among young people is greatest among young white
males; however, from 1980 through 1992, suicide rates increased most
rapidly
among young black males. Although suicide among children is a rare event,
the
dramatic increase in the rate among persons aged 10-14 years underscores
the
urgent need for intensifying efforts-to prevent suicide among- persons in
this age group.
1Suicide data was obtained from vital statistics on the underlying causes
of
death prepared annually by the National Center for Health Statistics at
the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
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Myth: People who talk about killing themselves rarely commit suicide.
Fact: Most people who commit suicide have given some verbal clues or
warning
of their intention.
Myth: The tendency toward suicide is inherited and passed from generation
to
generation.
Fact: Although suicidal behavior does tend to run in families, it does not
appear to be transmitted genetically.
Myth: The suicidal person wants to die and feels that there is no turning
back.
Fact: Suicidal people are usually ambivalent about dying and frequently
will
seek help immediately after attempting the harm themselves.
Myth: All suicidal people are deeply depressed.
Fact: Although depression is often closely associated with suicidal
feelings,
not all people who kill themselves are obviously depressed. In fact some
suicidal people appear to be happier than they've been in years because
they
have decided to "resolve" all of their problems by killing themselves.
Also,
people who are extremely depressed usually do not have the energy to kill
themselves.
Myth: There is no correlation between alcoholism and suicide.
Fact: Alcoholism and suicide often go hand in hand. Alcoholics are
prodded to
suicidal behavior and even people who don't normally drink will often
ingest
alcohol shortly before killing themselves.
Myth: Suicidal people are mentally ill.
Fact: Although many suicidal people are depressed and distraught, most
could
not be diagnosed as mentally ill; perhaps only about 25 percent of them
are
actually psychotic.
Myth: Once someone attempts suicide, that person will always entertain
thoughts of suicide.
Fact: Most people who are suicidal are so for only a very brief period
once
in their lives. If the person receives the proper support and assistance,
he/she will probably never be suicidal again. Only about 10 percent of the
people who attempt later kill themselves.
Myth: If you ask someone about their suicidal intentions, you will only
encourage them to kill themselves.
Fact: Actually the opposite is true. Asking someone directly about their
suicidal intentions will often lower their anxiety level and act as a
deterrent to suicidal behavior by encouraging the ventilation of pent-up
emotions through a frank discussion of his problems.
Myth: Suicide is quite common among the lower class.
Fact: Suicide crosses all socioeconomic distinctions and no one class is
more
susceptible to it than another.
Myth: Suicidal people rarely seek medical attention.
Fact: Research has consistently shown that about 75 percent of suicidal
people will visit a physician within the month before they kill
themselves.
When a control system is all out of purposes, belives they, can no longer
make effective changes, and percive only disturbances. The ideations,
plans,
and intentions of sucide come to volition.
Mark Lazare
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then why not talk about it? I bet there are many people on
this list who would like to talk about these things.
I think you lost the bet. 
Sincerely,
Hank Folson
704 ELVIRA AVE. REDONDO BEACH CA 90277
Phone: 310-540-1552 Fax: 310-316-8202 Web Site: www.henryjames.com
