[From Bill Powers (2007.11.20.0920 MST)]
Martin Taylor 2007.11.19.17.38 –
Martin, I think you’re assuming that every interaction is a conflict. As
I think of conflicts, there is no problem until some variable is driven
to a limit and can’t increase any more, meaning that further disturbances
can no longer be resisted and control is lost. A budget constraint is
such a limit, but has no effect until one party finds that it’s
impossible to buy as much of several goods as desired because the money
runs out. I see that you have to assume that the amount of money
possessed by each party is always less than the amount wanted, or that it
would be less if the goods desired were brought to their reference levels
for consumption. I agree that this assumption is necessary to make
utility theory appear to work, but I don’t think it’s necessary on any
other grounds. However, we can certainly find out what happens if the
system does work that way.
The main problem here is trying to reason out what will happen in a
complex situation using unaided logic and words.I can’t follow your
complicated verbal arguments, and I’m not convinced (yet) that you can,
either. The best approach I know of is to construct a simulation of what
you’re talking about, set it in motion, and point to what it does. Then
there can be no arguments about how one is reaching conclusions. I’m
sorry if I’m not grasping what is obvious to you, but I really can’t see
how it all works.
If you want to postulate that people always try to increase their money
supply, or their consumption of goods either in quantity or in quality,
that’s fine, but put it into a simulation and show what the consequences
will be. First, of course, we have to agree on a model; then we can
postulate whatever details we want to try out.
In the evidently unimpressive simulation I offered some years ago, I
introduced budget constraints, reference levels for income saved, and
reference levels for goods purchased on the part of buyers; and inventory
control, costs of production, and desired capital reserves on the part of
sellers/manufacturers. Consumers were divided into those whose income
came from wages and those whose income came from capital investments (I
could have added a “mixed” category). I was planning on going
on to include multiple goods, capital goods, depreciation, multiple
manufacturers with overlaps of goods produced, and other complications
like a bank that made loans and charged interest, and wage negotiations,
but all I heard was that I couldn’t do it that way, or that it had
already been done, or that it wasn’t worth the effort because the
situation is too complicated to understand (or maybe, just for me to
understand, since I don’t have a degree in economics. Bill Williams, may
he rest in peace, could sometimes be a real pain in the butt). I got a
distinct impression that a number of people thought they had it all
figured out already, and simply knew that any approach that came out
different must be wrong anyway, so why bother? That’s the “economics
as religion” argument, which stirs up a lot of emotion.
Well, I’m not that easy to discourage.
Best.
Bill P.