Miracles

[From Bruce Abbott (980414.1240 EST)]

Bill Powers (980414.0940 MDT) --

Bruce Abbott (980414.0910 EST)

That's what I thought: it [consciousness] isn't accounted for within HPCT.

Your inserted "consciousness" is incorrect; the "it" to which I refer is the
described behavior.

So when you say
"gain a perspective" or "see an acceptable solution," what you really mean
in so far as the theory is concerned is, "then a miracle occurs."

Perhaps I'm mistaken. Can you see anything in HPCT that could conceivably
explain consciousness? I don't think there is, but I could have missed
something. Do you know of anything in any theory of behavior that can
explain for it?

No and no. But then again, I'm not trying to explain consciousness. I'm
trying to explain behavior.

As far as I'm concerned, consciousness is a phenomenon, like gravity, that
can be observed, but for which we lack any explanation.

My view, too.

What's the problem with that?

Nothing, in and of itself.

This isn't the sort of situation where we speak of "miracles" --
that is, steps needed to complete a line of reasoning that are simply
skipped over.

It is when we offer statements like "gain a perspective" or "see an
acceptable solution," as the "PCT explanation" for some behavior. Those
statements may describe in some loose, qualitative way what we do, but they
are not explanations in the sense you usually mean, i.e. in terms of
mechanism. The mechanism by which these things supposedly happen is
missing: the behavior just happens -- a miracle occurs.

Regards,

Bruce

[From Bill Powers (980415.1101 MDT)]

Bruce Abbott (980414.1240 EST)--

This isn't the sort of situation where we speak of "miracles" --
that is, steps needed to complete a line of reasoning that are simply
skipped over.

It is when we offer statements like "gain a perspective" or "see an
acceptable solution," as the "PCT explanation" for some behavior. Those
statements may describe in some loose, qualitative way what we do, but they
are not explanations in the sense you usually mean, i.e. in terms of
mechanism. The mechanism by which these things supposedly happen is
missing: the behavior just happens -- a miracle occurs.

I see. You're right, we don't know of any specific mechanisms for doing
such things. At best, HPCT offers some proposals about basic capacities of
the mind that would be needed -- such things as categorizing, sequencing,
logical reasoning, and the maintenance of principles. Our (or at least my)
present state of understanding being what it is, I think it's a waste of
time to speculate much about mechanisms at these levels of organization.

Best,

Bill P.
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