PCT Economics

[From Bill Powers (970405.0730 MST)]

Rick Marken (970404.0740 PST)--

Bill Powers (970403.1921 MST)--

What we're looking for is the equilibrium condition. This occurs
when the composite producer is paying out P'Q' dollars as the
total cost of production, and is receiving money in two forms:
(1) Sales receipts in the amount P'Q'(1 - alpha) and (2)
borrowing at the rate P'Q'*alpha.

It seems that there should be data on this. Maybe it's in TCP's
book.

I think there is a mistake in reasoning on page 99. Autoinflation does not
_increase the price_ of the output; it _decreases the output_ that is sold
at the _same_ price. In arriving at this point, TCP has assumed constant
dollars, which is why we do not see (dP/dt)/P in the final equations. See p.
94, top paragraph. So from the point of that assumption onward, P' is a
constant.

On page 100, this mistake becomes moot, because the conclusion is that

"... when the reduced output Q is expressed in terms of the 'ideal' dollar
P', it is equal to the fraction (1-alpha) of the quantity the nation is
capable of produing, zN."

Thus autoinflation doesn't show up as an increase in price -- that's
impossible when prices are being expressed in terms of constant dollars,
from which price inflation has been removed. It shows up as a decrease in
output by the fraction (1 - alpha). And that decrease is, of course, already
in the data TCP presents: it is simply Fig. 1-1, page 7.

There must be some measure of the borrowing done by the
aggregate producer (I suppose I should know what this measure is
since Linda works a for the Fed; unfortunately, she doesn't work
in the "giving away money" department;-)) This measure of borrowing
should be precisely equal to GNP*alpha, right?

Right, and it ought to be equal to one of the money-supply measures,
whichever one corresponds to total borrowing from the government. Or rather,
since this is a rate equation, the rate of change of this total, per year.

Money in the form of credit extended by one producer to another doesn't
count in this equation, because when we're speaking in composite terms,
internal redistribution of dollars does not provide any new money:
non-government money that changes hands increases the dollars available to
one producer at the expense of another, so in terms of the _composite_
producer, there is no change.

I suspect that I'm missing something here. Maybe my fixation on _government_
money is misplaced. Actually, all the composite producer needs is a way to
borrow enough more money every year to make up for leakage. In a way, any
promise to pay increases the money supply, if that promise can itself be
used in payment to someone else ("selling the paper"). I suppose that if
there's enough paper and bits flying around, there can be the appearance of
more money being available even if it doesn't come from Federal Reserve
affiliated banks.

It's really hard to think consistently in composite terms. I keep wanting to
think of transactions, forgetting that at the macro level, most transactions
cancel out.

I guess this isn't important right now. As long as the composite producer
has _some_ way to get new money into circulation to make up for leakage, we
probably don't have to be too concerned about what the source is. We know
there has to be a source; the equations have to balance.

If this seems OK, the basic model begins to look pretty simple. We can say
that z (per capita productivity) increases at a certain exponential rate,
and that N (population) increases at another exponential rate, so zN can be
computed open-loop. We then have the conditions

z = z0*exp(k1*t),

N = N0*exp(k2*t)

P'Q = (1 - alpha)zN

Borrowing = alpha*zN, and

Q = Q0*(k1 + k2 - alpha)

While this model isn't a control system, behind it there must be several
basic control systems working. In the composite producer, one of them
attempts to keep inventory as close to zero as possible by varying prices
and adjusting Wages and/or Kapital income, W+K; another varies borrowing so
as to be able to pay W+K. In the composite consumer, one control system
spends money in order to acquire goods/services. Another tries to maintain
an input of money by expending labor (in the case of Wages).

There are conflicting control systems, too. Generally, the owners of the
composite producer get their income from K, so they try to raise K and
(necessarily) reduce W. However, lowering W relative to K meets with great
resistance; the ratio remains quite constant, at around 60 K for 40 W. The
primary way around this is through taxation and not-for-profit activity,
which can swing the _effective_ ratio as far as 40 K for 60 W, after taxes
and donations.

This gets us into labor-management conflicts, management-government
conflicts, and conflicts involving all three, with labor and management
trying to influence government policies in their own favor. This largely
boils down to conflicts between those who receive Wage income and those who
receive Kapital income, with government providing one of the main
battlegrounds and the marketplace another.

I think that the TCP analysis establishes the basic macroeconomic
relationships with which all the human control systems have to deal. It's
like a description of the environmental laws we have to know in order to
model any control process. We can see that the basic requirement is that W +
K + borrowing - leakage has to equal P'Q' (all in terms of money flow rather
than exponential equations), or zN . If we take z and N as increasing at a
given rate, the other variables then have specific relationships.

Of course z and N do not HAVE to increase exponentially in a fixed way:
population control measures can affect the rate of growth of N, and
education and research can affect the rate of growth of z, and those things
may in turn be influenced by the overall state of the economy. However, I
think we have to build from the simple to the complex, and one way to avoid
intractible complexities at this stage of development is to assume z and N,
and their rates of growth, to be their historical values (which don't change
very fast).

Best,

Bill P.

[Martin Taylor 970407 11:30]

Bruce Gregory (970403.1800 EST)]

Rick Marken (970403.1450 PST)

>
> I'd be interested in hearing what _real_ economists have to say
> about this anaysis.

Are they anything like _real_ psychologists?

Well, they come from the same schools, I guess. But they can be _much_
more destructive. Look at how one Harvard economist was able to destroy
the happiness of 200 million Russians in just a couple of years. And
how much misery is caused by the G7 politicians and World Bankers, both
in their own and in other countries, when they follow the policy
pronouncements of "real economists."

Martin

[Martin Taylor 970407 11:45]

Bill Powers (970405.0730 MST)]

It's really hard to think consistently in composite terms. I keep wanting to
think of transactions, forgetting that at the macro level, most transactions
cancel out.

I disagree. Two ways.

(1) If you think of a transaction as consisting only of an exchange of _money
as numerical dollars_ , then _every_ transaction cancels out, because what
one gives, the other gets.

On the other hands, if you think of a transaction as someone giving numerical
dollars and receiving something that (usually) is not numerical dollars, then
there is no need at all for transactions to balance either on the micro
level or on the macro level. My argument (based on the Bagno paper to which
I referred you) is that on balance there _has to be_ a loss in the average
transaction, though in some transactions there may be a gain. It is this
loss in the average transaction that induces the need for new money, and
the new money is derived from increased total debt, government or private
(and is lost in every bankruptcy or debt repayment).

I guess this isn't important right now. As long as the composite producer
has _some_ way to get new money into circulation to make up for leakage, we
probably don't have to be too concerned about what the source is. We know
there has to be a source; the equations have to balance.

If this seems OK, the basic model begins to look pretty simple. We can say
that z (per capita productivity) increases at a certain exponential rate,
and that N (population) increases at another exponential rate, so zN can be
computed open-loop.

Don't you see a feedback relation between z and N?

... However, I
think we have to build from the simple to the complex, and one way to avoid
intractible complexities at this stage of development is to assume z and N,
and their rates of growth, to be their historical values (which don't change
very fast).

I'll go along with that, on the basis that even if there are feedback
relationships between z and N, their effect is probably well modelled by
making these assumptions.

Martin

[Bruce Gregory (970407.1230 EST)]

Martin Taylor 970405 0700

As I see it, the whole _point_ of control is to reduce the information
about the outer world that is reflected in the inner world.

What a _strange_ way of looking at purposeful behavior. The
Heaven's Gate People found a solution that seems consonant with
this idea...

Bruce Gregory