Pigeons controlling bombs

[From Bill Powers (960811.0945 MDT)]

Rick Marken (960811.0030) --

The apostrophe is NEVER used to set off the "s" that makes a word plural
(as in "pigeon's inside our thermostat's").

     The accuracy of inertial guidance systems has nothing to do with
     it. All you need is a circuit that does what the pigeon does:
     controls a representation of the 2-D position of the ship.

What made the pigeon interesting was its ability to locate a specific
shape among other shapes, something that even today's smart bombs can't
do. The Gulf War smart bombs mentioned by Bill Leach require that
somebody hold a laser beam on a specific target (identified by human
perceptual equipment); the bomb, as I understand it, then homes in on
the red or infra-red dot, seeing it through a narrow-band filter that
makes the dot the only visible object. Good engineering: never solve
complex problems -- make them simple first.

What the pigeon did, as I understand it, was simply to indicate where
the target was by pecking on its image. A 2-D peck detector then
indicated the x-y location of the selected target. From there on, the
control system was (would have been) all electro-mechanical. The pigeon
simply served as a perceptual input function, the intermittent
perceptual signal being the location of the peck. The pigeon didn't
actually control the image; it controlled for grain.

A cruise missile compares a television image with an internal 3-D map;
as we saw on CNN, it can actually fly itself up a specific street to hit
a specific building. Some of the time. Of course it's MUCH more
expensive, hardly worth the cost of blowing away a few miscellaneous
foreigners selected at random with respect to age, sex, political
persuasion, or crimes against American pigeon-trainers.

Violence is the last resort of the incompetent (sign hanging on the
wall of Mayor Amalfi's office in Terminus, the capital city of the
Second Foundation. Asimov buffs can correct the details).

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[From Hank Folson (960812)]
   (Bill Powers (960811.0945 MDT))
     (Rick Marken (960811.0030) --)

>What the pigeon did, as I understand it, was simply to indicate where
>the target was by pecking on its image.

I am surprised that with all the arcane/obscure references PCT researchers
come up with, no one has mentioned the photo and short caption in _Mechanix
Illustrated Magazine_, circa 1945. Although I was too young to read at the
time it was published, my Dad happened to keep a copy around until I was
old enough to read it. Don't ask me why I still remember this, as I don't
recall what I was controlling for back then. :wink:

The photo (drawing?) showed a pigeon with a conductive metal tip glued to
its beak with a wire leading off somewhere. The pecking target was a radar
screen, which I assume had some sort of electrical grid which would pick up
the coordinates of the bionic beak.

The caption said that the system was intended to target a ship, which makes
sense as there would be only one target dot on the screen. I am not sure,
but I think the system consisted of a bomb with directional radar in the
nose aimed straight ahead. The bomb would be dropped over the target. The
pecking coordinates were fed to a control system that adjusted the fins on
the bomb to give it a modest amount of directional control. I believe it
said that the system worked in laboratory tests, but the war ended before
it could be tried. No mention was made of an ejection system for the
pigeon.

>The pigeon didn't actually control the image; it controlled for grain.

It just occurs to me that a pigeon, being a flying bird, must have pretty
good sensors for acceleration and altitude. If so, when perceiving the
disturbance of free falling, wouldn't the pigeon's primary goal be to gain
altitude instead of controlling to reduce its hunger? If so, one can muse
about whether Skinner et al would have tried 'conditioning' the pigeon to
peck at the radar screen with the 'reinforcement' being a reduction in
acceleration and a gain in altitude. On the positive side, if the bomb
accelerated all the way down, PCT says the pigeon would peck harder and
faster as the target (and eternity) drew nearer. I dread to think of what
the behaviorists and the pigeons would have gone through during the
training process...

Sincerely, Hank Folson.

[From Rick Marken (960812.2030)]

Hank Folson (960812) --

The photo (drawing?) showed a pigeon with a conductive metal tip glued to
its beak with a wire leading off somewhere. The pecking target was a radar
screen, which I assume had some sort of electrical grid which would pick up
the coordinates of the bionic beak.

The caption said that the system was intended to target a ship, which makes
sense as there would be only one target dot on the screen. I am not sure,
but I think the system consisted of a bomb with directional radar in the
nose aimed straight ahead. The bomb would be dropped over the target. The
pecking coordinates were fed to a control system that adjusted the fins on
the bomb to give it a modest amount of directional control.

Excellent find, Hank!

So the coordinates of the pecks were being used as the perceptual input
to a control system; but it wasn't a particularly sophisticated capability
of the bird's perceptual system that was being used to produce this
perception. There was just one dot (the target) on the radar screen so I am
wondering why the bird was necessary. The radar screen has an intermittant
2-D representation of the position of the ship; the bird is being used
to convert this 2-D representation into another one (the coordinates of
the bionic beak) that is used as the perceptual input to the control
system. Couldn't the radar representation have been used directly by
the control system -- or converted electrically directly into the 2-D
coordinates that were the outputs of the bionic beak? What problem did
Skinner think he was solving by putting the bird in the bomb?

Best

Rick

[From Bruce Abbott (960813.1130 EST)]

Hank Folson (960812) --

The photo (drawing?) showed a pigeon with a conductive metal tip glued to
its beak with a wire leading off somewhere. The pecking target was a radar
screen, which I assume had some sort of electrical grid which would pick up
the coordinates of the bionic beak.

The caption said that the system was intended to target a ship, which makes
sense as there would be only one target dot on the screen. I am not sure,
but I think the system consisted of a bomb with directional radar in the
nose aimed straight ahead. The bomb would be dropped over the target. The
pecking coordinates were fed to a control system that adjusted the fins on
the bomb to give it a modest amount of directional control. I believe it
said that the system worked in laboratory tests, but the war ended before
it could be tried. No mention was made of an ejection system for the
pigeon.

Rick Marken (960812.2030) --

Excellent find, Hank!

So the coordinates of the pecks were being used as the perceptual input
to a control system; but it wasn't a particularly sophisticated capability
of the bird's perceptual system that was being used to produce this
perception. There was just one dot (the target) on the radar screen so I am
wondering why the bird was necessary. The radar screen has an intermittant
2-D representation of the position of the ship; the bird is being used
to convert this 2-D representation into another one (the coordinates of
the bionic beak) that is used as the perceptual input to the control
system. Couldn't the radar representation have been used directly by
the control system -- or converted electrically directly into the 2-D
coordinates that were the outputs of the bionic beak? What problem did
Skinner think he was solving by putting the bird in the bomb?

Why is Rick so willing to believe this description (based on a decades-old
childhood memory of a _Mechanix Illustrated_ photo) rather than Skinner's
own description as supplied by Chris Cherpas (960809.1117 PT)? The answer,
of course, is that the latter is consistent with Rick's thesis (and thus an
"excellent find") whereas the former is not. Nevermind the fact that Hank's
and B. F.s descriptions are at odds. It's the same kind of "search for the
truth" demonstrated by O. J.'s "dream team" lawyers.

Hank's recollection isn't too far off the mark, but is wrong in significant
details. I'm looking at what I take to be Hank's picture (in Skinner's
"Pigeons in a Pelican" article); it is captioned "Arrangement for studying
pursuit movements." According to Skinner,

  The translucent plate upon which the image of the target was thrown had a
  semiconducting surface, and the tip of the bird's beak was covered with
  a gold electrode. A single contact with the plate sent an immediate report
  of the location of the target to the controlling mechanism. The work which
  went into this system contributed to the so-called Pick-off Display
  Converter developed as part of the Naval Data Handling System for human
  observers. It is no longer necessary for the radar operator to give a
  verbal report of the location of a pip on the screen. Like the pigeon,
  he has only to touch the pip with a special contact. (He holds the
  contact in his hand.) (_Cumulative Record_, p. 587)

The project Skinner describes here is ORCON (for "organic control"), begun
in 1949 as a follow-up to the WWII "Project Pigeon" involving the "Pelican"
guided air-to-ground missile. Skinner describes the Pelican system as follows:

  A lens in the nose of the missile threw an image on a translucent plate
  within reach of the pigeon in a pressure-sealed chamber. Four air valves
  resting against the edges of the plate were jarred open momentarily as
  the pigeon pecked. The valves at the right and left admitted air to
  chambers on opposite sides of one tambour, while the valves at the top
  and bottom admitted air to opposite sides of another. Air on all sides
  was exhausted by a Venturi cone ont e side of the missle. When the missle
  was on target, the pigeon pecked the center of the plate, all valves
  admitted equal amounts of air, and the tambours remained in neutral
  positions. But if the image moved as little as a quarter of an inch
  off-center, corresponding to a very small angular displacement of the
  target, more air was admitted by the valves on one side, and the resulting
  displacement of the tambours sent appropriate correcting orders directly
  to the servosystem.

It is quite evident from reading Skinner's account that he was fully aware
of servomechanical principles; why he failed to make the connection between
servomechanism and the pigeon's own system would make an interesting
question for philosophers of science to puzzle. I wish he were still around
to ask.

Regards,

Bruce the Bitten

[From Bruce Gregory (960813.1245 EDT)]

(Bruce Abbott 960813.1130 EST)

to

(Rick Marken 960812.2030)

Why is Rick so willing to believe this description (based on a decades-old
childhood memory of a _Mechanix Illustrated_ photo) rather than Skinner's
own description as supplied by Chris Cherpas (960809.1117 PT)? The answer,
of course, is that the latter is consistent with Rick's thesis (and thus an
"excellent find") whereas the former is not. Nevermind the fact that Hank's
and B. F.s descriptions are at odds. It's the same kind of "search for the
truth" demonstrated by O. J.'s "dream team" lawyers.

If you're right, how come Rick isn't rich?

Regards,

Bruce the Shy

[From Rick Marken (960813.1030)]

Bruce Abbott (960813.1130 EST) --

Why is Rick so willing to believe this [Hank Folsom's] description (based on
a decades-old childhood memory of a _Mechanix Illustrated_ photo) rather
than Skinner's own description as supplied by Chris Cherpas (960809.1117
PT)? The answer, of course, is that the latter is consistent with Rick's
thesis (and thus an "excellent find") whereas the former is not. Nevermind
the fact that Hank's and B. F.s descriptions are at odds.

Because I didn't notice that it was a childhood memory. Hank's description
sounded like he had the magazine in front of him. And except for the "radar"
part, Hank's description was pretty much the same as Skinner's.

My original "thesis" was that the "bird bomb" revealed Skinner's failure to
see control when it was happening right in from of him. This "thesis" was
based on my (incorrect, it turned out) assumption that the pigeons were used
to control an image on the screen and (as a side effect) guide the bomb.
My "thesis" that Skinner was clueless about the nature of control is still
correct, however, as amply demonstrated by Skinner's entire career; but I
agree that the "bird bomb" is not a particularly good demonstration of this
aspect of Skinner's cluelessness.

Once I learned the function of the bird in the "bird bomb", I assumed that
Bill Powers was correct when he said "What made the pigeon interesting was
its ability to locate a specific shape among other shapes". I assumed that
the pigeon's perceptual discrimination capabilities -- the one's that would
require the "massively parallel" computations mentioned by Bill Leach -- were
the reason why a pigeon was used as the perceptual function in the bird bomb
control system. Hank's post was "excellent" from my point of view, not only
because it seemed first hand but also because it suggested that the
"sophisticated perception" notion of the bird's role in the bomb was wrong;
there was apparently only one target on the screen and the pigeon's job was
to peck at it. Skinner's report suggests the same thing: one target image was
pecked at.

So it seems that the technical "problem" Skinner was solving with the pigeon
was one of converting the location of an optical image on a screen into an
electrical or mechanical representation of that location. So my curernt
"thesis" (question, really) is: what was the problem Skinner was trying to
solve with the pigeon? Was the technology really not there to transform an
optical to an electrical or mechanical representation of target location
without the bird?

It is quite evident from reading Skinner's account that he was fully aware
of servomechanical principles;

I don't see any evidence that Skinner understood much about servomechanisms
at all; his description of the bomb servo is completely in S-R terms (ie.
peck to left, output to right); the R-S connection is completely ignored;
there is certainly no evidence that Skinner understood the most important
servo principle of all: control of input.

why he failed to make the connection between servomechanism and the
pigeon's own system would make an interesting question for philosophers of
science to puzzle.

One who doesn't know what control is (as Skinner clearly didn't) is going to
have a hard time seeing the connection between servo (control) systems and
behavior; and even if one does see the connection (as many of psychologists
do) it won't be the _right_ connection.

Skinner was no more or less clueless about control than any other
psychologist. I only single him out for special disapprobation because 1) he
was famous 2) he was always talking about how important it was to _control_
behavior (where the sense of "control" could _only_ be taken to be the normal
[PCT] sense of "make it happen no matter what") and 3) he was watching clear
examples of control happen right on from of his eyes in his experiments.

Many psychologists have "missed the barn" of control but few besides Skinner
have done it at such close range.

Best

Rick

<[Bill Leach (960813.1317 EDT)]

[From Rick Marken (960812.2030)]

... coordinates that were the outputs of the bionic beak? What problem did
Skinner think he was solving by putting the bird in the bomb?

I rather doubt the Mechanix Illustrated description and find that Bruce's
description sounds much more likely. However, in the mid 1940's signal
processing was crude at best. Obtaining even relative coordinates from a
radar system required human intervention. The method used was to have the
human operator "crank" on the two input devices (most were multiturn
potentiometers though some were servo transmitters). A pair of "cross
hairs" were displayed on the PPI (radar desplay screen) and positioned by
the actions of the human upon the input devices either in an "x-y"
referenced to the case of the display unit or in a polar positioning scheme.

Ranging and direction (relative to the radar unit) was possible in the early
days of radar but impractical. Signal processing consisted of threshold
discrimination and coincidence detection. The automatic system basically
provided distance and angle only for the strongest return "echos".

Additionally, in 1945 while it might have been possible to build a bomb that
contained a radar based control system I seriously doubt that any airplane
could have taken off with such a payload!

bill leach
b.leach@worldnet.att.net
ars KB7LX

<[Bill Leach (960813.1438 EDT)]

[From Rick Marken (960813.1030)]

My original "thesis" was that the "bird bomb" revealed Skinner's failure to
see control when it was happening right in from of him. This "thesis" was
based on my (incorrect, it turned out) assumption that the pigeons were used
to control an image on the screen and (as a side effect) guide the bomb.

I think that maybe you now recognize that your basis was correct, that is
the pigeons did control the image on the "screen" and as a side effect the
bomb was guided.

... system. Hank's post was "excellent" from my point of view, not only
because it seemed first hand but also because it suggested that the
"sophisticated perception" notion of the bird's role in the bomb was wrong;
there was apparently only one target on the screen and the pigeon's job was
to peck at it. Skinner's report suggests the same thing: one target image was
pecked at.

I can only suggest that as is common in media reporting concerning matters
of a technical nature (common in my opinion), the media report was excellent
only with respect to its' display of ignorance of the whole matter. In
particular, radar was something that nor many people understood at even a
"basic principles" level.

... So my curernt "thesis" (question, really) is: what was the problem

Skinner >was trying to solve with the pigeon? Was the technology really not
there to >transform an optical to an electrical or mechanical representation
of target >location without the bird?

1) Identify the correct target and provide useable signals relating the
    bomb's position to the target's position.

2) Yes, the technology really was not there. It is really not quite "there"
    yet today. Optical (source) image processing in "real time" is pretty
    weak and when "real time" means keeping up with the image changes due to
    a 150 MPH relative speed...

At the time, even processing radar signals would have been an impressive
accomplishment but radar is all but useless for anything other than "closing
rate" and distance in a bomb. So called "side look" radar can be used
(today) for guidance purposes if enough is known about the target and the
surrounding area (with respect to its' radar characteristics).

As far as "optical" control, remember that in 1945 a video camera,
supporting electronics and display unit weighed as much as most bombs (not
to mention the wieght of the power source to run same for say ... 5 minutes).

bill leach
b.leach@worldnet.att.net
ars KB7LX

[From Bill Powers (960813.1430 MDT)]

Bruce Abbott (960813.1130 EST) --

Following up your references to Skinner's _Cumulative Record_ I got out
my old copy (1961 edition) and found more interesting stuff.

     At the University of Michigan in the spring of 1940 the capacity of
     the pigeons to steer toward a target was tested with a moving
     hoist. The pigeon, held in a jacket and harnessed to a block, was
     immobilized except for its head and neck. It could eat grain from a
     dish and operate a control system by moving its head in the
     appropriate direction. Movement of the head operated the motors of
     the hoist. The bird could ascend by lifting its head, descend by
     lowering it, and travel from side to side by moving appropriately.
     The whole system, mounted on wheels, was pushed across a room
     toward a bull's-eye on the far wall. During the approach the pigeon
     raised or lowered itself and moved from side to side in such a way
     as to reach the wall in position to eat grain from the center of
     the bull's-eye. The pigeon learned to reach any target within reach
     of the hoist, no matter what the starting position and during
     fairly rapid approaches.

A little later --

     The General Mills engineers also built a simulator (Figure 4) -- a
     sort of Link trainer for pigeons -- designed to have the steering
     characteristics of the Pelican [a winged glider, not a bomb], in so
     far as those had been communicated to us. Like the wing-steered
     Pelican, the simulator tilted and turned from side to side. When
     the three-bird nose was attached to it, the pigeons could be put in
     full control -- the "loop could be closed" -- and the adequacy of
     the signal tested under pursuit conditions. Targets were moved back
     and forth across the far wall of a room at prescribed speeds and in
     given patterns of oscillation, and the tracking response of the
     whole unit was studied quantitatively.

I recommend to all PCTers that they read the whole article. It
demonstrates Skinner's thoroughness as an experimenter, his cleverness,
and his absolute blindness to the significance of what he was finding as
he interacted with real control-system engineers. You'll note that in
the above excerpt, he refers freely to the pigeon as a controlling
agent, adjusting its actions as necessary to cause a predetermined
result to occur. But this experience made not the slightest impression
on his basic concept of how organisms work.

Nor did he modify his experimental approach. In the first excerpt above,
the pigeon is actually operating in a basically analog situation,
continuously varying the position of the hoist to keep the target
approaching. But in the Pelican control system design, Skinner went back
to what he was comfortable with -- pigeons pecking. He did this despite
having already found a far more elegant design, much better suited to
the task. He could have used the pigeon's head movements to operate
potentiometers and obtain continuous control of the position of the
target. The pigeon could simply have held the target centered, its head
movements operating (through servo boosters) the control surfaces of the
glider -- the sort of task that a pigeon already knows all about,
although it would have to learn a new means of acting to make its
perceptions look right for flying to a target. All this would have been
easy to do with existing technology. Of course the military might not
have liked the idea that all it takes to fly a weapon of war is the
brain of a pigeon.

I think it was in the 1960s that I wrote to Skinner telling him about a
control theory model of behavior. His reply was terse -- he didn't
believe that control theory had anything to offer to the experimental
analysis of behavior. I'm sure I had read the Pelican article by that
time. But if so, it didn't occur to me to remind him of it.

I feel sure that Skinner's rejection of control theory came about not so
much in spite of his experiences with real control systems and control
engineers, but because of them. He was completely committed to the idea
that the environment is the ultimate controller of behavior -- yet it
must have been obvious to him that none of the objects in the
environment of the pigeons (other than himself and colleagues) had any
capacity to control in the same way the pigeons were doing it. He was on
the very brink of discovering PCT, and turned his back on it -- years
before Norbert Wiener et. al. came along.

In mitigation, I think it's clear that Skinner ran afoul (or is that
afowl?) of the "modern control engineers" of his time. At a hearing
where he presented his case to the top scientists in the field, one
observer objected that the system would hunt wildly and lose the target.

     Fortunately, another scientist was present who had seen the
     simulator performing under excellent control and who could confirm
     our report of the facts. But reality was no match for mathematics.

I wonder to what extend plain old bitterness, well-justified, might
account for Skinner's abandonment of the concepts of control theory.

On a wall in my maternal grandmother's house there hung an embroidered
motto:

Convince a man against his will --
He's of the same opinion still.

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