Pill-bug mystery

[From Bruce Abbott (2002.5.30.1450 EST)]

Well, I tried to replicate the data on the pill-bug's response to two
equally bright light sources, but MY pill-bugs, at least, didn't show the
least interest in the lights. The original report was provided by Mueller
(1925) and is written in German. I don't have a copy of it as yet, but I'm
beginning to suspect that some special conditions have to be arranged
before these isopods will evidence the positive phototaxis described in the
report. These animals are subject to drying out and therefore have a
preference for inhabiting the damper areas -- under rocks and logs. It's
generally dark under there, too, so I would guess that the typical state of
the bug would be to move away from, not toward, sources of light. Where
it's dark, it's more likely to be damp. So perhaps a positive phototaxis
is shown only under certain conditions -- say, when conditions are TOO moist.

Or maybe German pill-bugs are negatively phototaxic and American pill-bugs
are positively phototaxic. (Just kidding.) Or maybe their batteries are
in backwards.

I'll have to get the reference and see what it actually says about the test
conditions. In case any of our German-speaking friends have access to it,
the reference is:

Mueller, A. (1925). Uber lichtreaktionen von landasseln. Zeitschrift fur
Vergleichende Physiologie, 3, 113-144.

The "ue" in Mueller's name is actually an umlauted u.

Bruce A.

[From Bill Powers (2002.05.30.1425 MDT)]

Bruce Abbott (2002.5.30.1450 EST)]

Well, I tried to replicate the data on the pill-bug's response to two
equally bright light sources, but MY pill-bugs, at least, didn't show the
least interest in the lights.

I have a suggestion for the science of psychology, which someone other than
I should start publicizing. Every graduate student should be required to
perform one experiment in addition to the work needed for a PhD. The
student will pick a published research paper, replicate the experiment as
exactly as possible (no variations, omissions, or additions), and publish
the results on the WWW. Every now and then the results should be indexed
with ratings for the associated paper, the ratings to be cited along with
any reference to the paper. A rating of -1 means replication results
disagree with published results, 0 means no judgment possible, and +1
means the results were corroborated by the replication.

I'm sure you could think of a more systematic and meaningful rating scale,
but the main idea is to make replication of results an accepted duty of
scientists in this field, just as atronomers were once expected to
contributed to long-term astronomy by measuring double-star positions and
separations, recording variability of stars, and such things useful to
future generations.

My guess is that the average number of replications of published results in
psychology is so close to zero as to be undetectable by the naked eye.

Best,

Bill P.

[From Bruce Abbott (2002.05.30.1935 EST)]

Bill Powers (2002.05.30.1425 MDT) --

Bruce Abbott (2002.5.30.1450 EST)

Well, I tried to replicate the data on the pill-bug's response to two
equally bright light sources, but MY pill-bugs, at least, didn't show the
least interest in the lights.

I have a suggestion for the science of psychology, which someone other than
I should start publicizing. Every graduate student should be required to
perform one experiment in addition to the work needed for a PhD. The
student will pick a published research paper, replicate the experiment as
exactly as possible (no variations, omissions, or additions), and publish
the results on the WWW. Every now and then the results should be indexed
with ratings for the associated paper, the ratings to be cited along with
any reference to the paper. A rating of -1 means replication results
disagree with published results, 0 means no judgment possible, and +1
means the results were corroborated by the replication.
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My guess is that the average number of replications of published results in
psychology is so close to zero as to be undetectable by the naked eye.

Although I have no quarrel with your suggestion, I believe that a couple of
points need to be emphasized in this particular case. First, I cannot yet
classify the pill-bug experiment as a replication failure, as I do not know
the details of the procedure as given by Mueller. It is still very
possible that I did not arrange the required conditions. (I'll know only
after I have Mueller's actual description in my hands, competently
translated.) Second, Mueller was a physiologist, not a psychologist. If
the results prove either possible or impossible to replicate, then let's at
least assign credit or blame, if that's what we're doing, to the right
discipline. Third, I have personally conducted a number of replications
of published studies in my own area of work that reproduced the reported
results. In fact, in those areas it is typical to begin a new study by
including replications of previous manipulations, simply to be sure that
the phenomenon being investigated can be reproduced before going on to
investigate additional manipulations. With a little searching, you would
find much more replicating going on than you now believe is being done.

Bruce A.

[From Bill Powers (2002.05.31.1007 MDT)]

Bruce Abbott (2002.05.30.1935 EST)--

Although I have no quarrel with your suggestion, I believe that a couple of
points need to be emphasized in this particular case. First, I cannot yet
classify the pill-bug experiment as a replication failure, as I do not know
the details of the procedure as given by Mueller. It is still very
possible that I did not arrange the required conditions. (I'll know only
after I have Mueller's actual description in my hands, competently
translated.)

Granted.

Second, Mueller was a physiologist, not a psychologist. If
the results prove either possible or impossible to replicate, then let's at
least assign credit or blame, if that's what we're doing, to the right
discipline.

I should have said "behavioral science," since that's what he was doing.

  Third, I have personally conducted a number of replications
of published studies in my own area of work that reproduced the reported
results.

You have also, to my knowledge, tried to replicate another number of
published studies in your own area and found them unreproducible. But
actually I would expect the basic observations of EAB (if not the fancier
variations) to be fairly reproducible. My net was cast over a wider area,
of which EAB is only a small part. I'm not the first to have raised the
question of replication and reproducibility in psychology or behavioral
science or the social sciences, though I can't point to a source at the
moment.

  In fact, in those areas it is typical to begin a new study by
including replications of previous manipulations, simply to be sure that
the phenomenon being investigated can be reproduced before going on to
investigate additional manipulations. With a little searching, you would
find much more replicating going on than you now believe is being done.

That could be, but what I have seen of replications has always shown that
the replicator couldn't resist adding some "little" twist of his own, or
making do with some different equipment, or different method, or different
subject population, because the original one was too costly or was
unobtainable or no longer existed. I think there's a general distaste for
doing literal replications, because it's hard enough to get money and time
for original research -- who wants to spend half a year simply doing
exactly what someone else has already done, changing nothing? Of course the
answer is, "Any real scientist." We can be confident about facts only if
they can be reproduced, the more exactly the better.

Also, as you and I discovered, simply repeating what another experimenter
did is far from easy. Many important details are left out of published
descriptions, and the only way to discover them is to get in touch with the
original experimenter -- who may not remember the details (correctly or at
all) and may no longer have the raw data. You know who I'm talking about. I
don't think I have ever seen a description of apparatus or methods in the
psychological literature -- including EAB -- from which I could reconstruct
the original experiment and be confident I was doing so. People can
interpret the term "replicate" very loosely.

Best,

Bill P.