Bill Cunningham (920408.1320)
Cliff Joslyn is right. It is too early for a poll. Also suspect
result of poll will reflect how respondants choose to see the world,
rather than how the world might be. After all, everything is perception.
Hadn't intended to enter fray, but consider following in response to
Cliff's question #6, whether IT is relevant to PCT:
It had damned well better be. Man is considered a social animal,
requiring considerable interaction (read transfer of information)
between members of the species. What I consider "pure" PCT deals
almost exclusively with how individuals function, individually.
BUT at the same time, PCT has been touted as the universal explanation
of how man works. If so, PCT had damned well better include communication
between individuals. Martin Taylor's layered protocols help do that, and
therefore may be considered the necessary extension of "pure" PCT that
allows communication. But you can't do LP without IT.
Ergo, if PCT is to describe the "whole man", it has to incorporate IT
in some way. If that requires chewing on it some more, as Cliff suggests,
so be it.
Bill Cunningham
[from Gary Cziko 930408.1743]
Bill Cunningham (920408.1320) says:
Cliff Joslyn is right. It is too early for a poll.
I've put you down for "TOO EARLY INFORMATION"
Also suspect
result of poll will reflect how respondants choose to see the world,
rather than how the world might be. After all, everything is perception.
That's the idea--to get people's perceptions. I can't easily poll the
world to find out how it really is.--Gary
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From Ken Hacker [930409] -
To Bill Cunningham --
I agree with the comment that humans are endemically social. There is
nothing to support a contrary view. However, each human individual also
acts to control his/her perceptions and hence, behaviors. PCT has been
building knowledge about this. However, unlike cybernetics, which appears
to locate some forms of control in aspects of social interaction, control
theory does not. I have been observing and thinking about this for months.
As a communication researcher, I am convinced that control theory does not
explain anything about social interaction, i.e, communication, but that it
does help explain how each communicator controls his/her messaging in any
act of communication. Ken