RESEND of behaviorism...From Chris Cherpas

[From Chris Cherpas 951017.1113 Pacific]
[re: Bill Powers (951017.1000 MDT)]

The danger inherent in behaviorism is that of confusing the means of
control with the object of control -- of seeing overt behavior as an end
in itself, like seeing crying simply as an expression of an internal
state caused by traumatic stimuli rather than as a means to an end. When
we look at other people, we simply _don't see_ what they are really
doing, because without a rather extended investigation, we can't even
guess at what perceptions they are controlling. All we can see is the
set of movements, sounds, and bodily or facial configurations by means
of which they attempt to counteract disturbances of their perceptions.

Behavior as a means to an end sounds like operant behavior to me.
Even perceptual behavior (e.g., see Skinner's _About Behaviorism_)
can occur in the absence of the thing seen because of high deprivation
as when we "see" a friend in a crowd whom we miss -- according to
(radical) behaviorism. Unfortunately, when we talk about a "stimulus,"
and this is particularly true in a discussion of "reinforcement",
it is not always clear whether this is meant to be from the observer's
("procedural") or the subject's ("effective") perspective. From my
understanding, the radical behaviorist assumes that "effective"
stimuli always involve perceptual behavior, and this includes the
perception of the reinforcing "stimulus."

In the behaviorist literature, numerous analyses are made with respect
to feedback functions, such that, for example, a certain rate of
key-pecking (the "independent variable") controls a given rate of
reinforcement (from a procedural perspective, but, in this context,
the "dependent variable") on a given schedule of reinforcement.
People who like optimization models have made elaborate analyses
of schedule performance using such functions. An instantiation of
"melioration" theory assumes that the variable being controlled
is local reinforcement rates; whenever a difference is detected
across alternatives, relatively more behavior shifts to the locally
more reinforcing alternative. When all alternatives are experienced
as equally valuable, then behavioral allocation is stable.

There are places, however, as in verbal behavior, where the behavior of
a listener is necessarily what the speaker's behavior controls. In this
case the difference between what the "experimenter" sees as
relevant can be quite close to what the verbal behaver is controlling.

Best regards,
cc
   ps: apologies that I'm just learning about PCT and
       may be making superficial or incorrect use of
       the term "control;" however, I feel pretty
       confident of my characterization of a radical
       behaviorist position (Bruce, what do you think?).

[From Bruce Abbott (951026.1130 EST)]

Chris Cherpas 951017.1113 Pacific (resent 951025.1805 PST) --

Behavior as a means to an end sounds like operant behavior to me.
Even perceptual behavior (e.g., see Skinner's _About Behaviorism_)
can occur in the absence of the thing seen because of high deprivation
as when we "see" a friend in a crowd whom we miss -- according to
(radical) behaviorism. Unfortunately, when we talk about a "stimulus,"
and this is particularly true in a discussion of "reinforcement",
it is not always clear whether this is meant to be from the observer's
("procedural") or the subject's ("effective") perspective. From my
understanding, the radical behaviorist assumes that "effective"
stimuli always involve perceptual behavior, and this includes the
perception of the reinforcing "stimulus."

Skinner spoke of the study of operant conditioning as the "very field of
purpose." Unfortunately, for Skinner, the purposivness of behavior (in the
sense that it was aimed toward accomplishing some specific consequence) was
an illusion produced by the process of behavioral variation and selective
reinforcement. Control theory holds that behavior is indeed organized so as
to bring about internally specified perceptual states. Moreover, purposive
systems constructed along the lines suggested by control theory have been
built, and these behave exactly as a system guided by an internally
specified goal or reference should act. Thus there is no reason to assume
that brains cannot be constructed so as to act according to internally
specified references rather than merely re-acting to external stimuli, and
very good reason to think that they can--and are.

Yes, to be effective, stimuli must be perceived, in radical behaviorism as
in perceptual control theory.

In the behaviorist literature, numerous analyses are made with respect
to feedback functions, such that, for example, a certain rate of
key-pecking (the "independent variable") controls a given rate of
reinforcement (from a procedural perspective, but, in this context,
the "dependent variable") on a given schedule of reinforcement.
People who like optimization models have made elaborate analyses
of schedule performance using such functions. An instantiation of
"melioration" theory assumes that the variable being controlled
is local reinforcement rates; whenever a difference is detected
across alternatives, relatively more behavior shifts to the locally
more reinforcing alternative. When all alternatives are experienced
as equally valuable, then behavioral allocation is stable.

This sounds like a fair description. Such analyses are not based on control
principles but rather on some kind of equilibrium principle.

There are places, however, as in verbal behavior, where the behavior of
a listener is necessarily what the speaker's behavior controls. In this
case the difference between what the "experimenter" sees as
relevant can be quite close to what the verbal behaver is controlling.

I have no idea what you mean here. What's the "difference between what the
'experimenter' sees"?

Regards,

Bruce