Richard Pfau emails do not make it to CSGnet

CSGnet Archive CSG2017
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[From: Dag Forssell (2017.06.02 09:15 PDT)]

I just noted that Allie (without identifier :frowning: ) responded to Richard Pfau.

[From: Richard Pfau (2017.06.01 20:25 EDT)]

Looking closely, I see Fred and Rick responded to other recent posts from Richard Pfau.

None of Richard Pfau's posts reached me, i.e. the CSGnet archive. I think I recall one previous instance where I saw a post from Richard in someone's response, but not the original.

What might be the matter? I have no idea why the CSGnet server would discriminate against me. Does anyone have any idea? Do others also not see posts from Richard Pfau?

Best, Dag

2

[From Rick Marken (2017.06.02.1108)]

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Dag Forssell (2017.06.02 09:15 PDT)–

DF: I just noted that Allie (without identifier :frowning: ) responded to Richard Pfau.

 RM: I looked up Richard in the list of CSGNet members and see nothing unusual about his settings. But you are not alone with this problem; Richard’s posts got to my email spam box. I noticed this a couple months ago and now always check my spam box for posts from Richard. When I find them I Mark them “Not Spam” yet they continue to be delivered to spam. Richard just sent an email so you might check and see if it arrived in your spam box.Â

BestÂ

Rick

[From:Â Richard Pfau (2017.06.01 20:25 EDT)]

Looking closely, I see Fred and Rick responded to other recent posts from Richard Pfau.

None of Richard Pfau’s posts reached me, i.e. the CSGnet archive. I think I recall one previous instance where I saw a post from Richard in someone’s response, but not the original.

What might be the matter? I have no idea why the CSGnet server would discriminate against me. Does anyone have any idea? Do others also not see posts from Richard Pfau?

–

Richard S. MarkenÂ

"Perfection is achieved not when you have nothing more to add, but when you
have nothing left to take away.�
                --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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[Martin Taylor 2017.06.02.14.14]

[From Rick Marken (2017.06.02.1108)]

One data point... I have no such issue. Is it possible that some

spam filters have decided that “aol” addresses are unsafe for some
reason? Are there other CSGnet posters with aol addresses whose
messages arrive properly with you and Dag? Or might the spam filter
not like “4153” which might decode into two characters it finds
significant? Once I tried to send my brother a holiday picture of
Christchurch Cathedral (before the earthquake), and every message
with that picture, no matter how it was included, failed to arrive.
I changed the picture size by one pixel, to alter the ASCII coding,
and it went through fine.

Just a shot in the dark.

Martin
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          Dag

Forssell (2017.06.02 09:15 PDT)–

          DF: I just noted that Allie (without identifier :( )

responded to Richard Pfau.

          Â RM: I looked up Richard in the list of CSGNet members

and see nothing unusual about his settings. But you are
not alone with this problem; Richard’s posts got to my
email spam box. I noticed this a couple months ago and now
always check my spam box for posts from Richard. When I
find them I Mark them “Not Spam” yet they continue to be
delivered to spam. Richard just sent an email so you might
check and see if it arrived in your spam box.Â

BestÂ

Rick

          [From:Â  Richard Pfau (2017.06.01 20:25 EDT)]



          Looking closely, I see Fred and Rick responded to other

recent posts from Richard Pfau.

          None of Richard Pfau's posts reached me, i.e. the CSGnet

archive. I think I recall one previous instance where I
saw a post from Richard in someone’s response, but not the
original.

          What might be the matter? I have no idea why the CSGnet

server would discriminate against me. Does anyone have any
idea? Do others also not see posts from Richard Pfau?

–

Richard S. MarkenÂ

                                  "Perfection

is achieved not when you have
nothing more to add, but when you
have
nothing left to take away.�
  Â
            Â
–Antoine de Saint-Exupery

4

Here’s gmail explaining why it thinks the email is spam… It seems to be more specific than being aol. Maybe Richard is using his own mailserver in a nonstandard way?

Screenshot_20170602-144148.png

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On Jun 2, 2017 14:20, “Martin Taylor” mmt-csg@mmtaylor.net wrote:

[Martin Taylor 2017.06.02.14.14]

[From Rick Marken (2017.06.02.1108)]

One data point... I have no such issue. Is it possible that some

spam filters have decided that “aol” addresses are unsafe for some
reason? Are there other CSGnet posters with aol addresses whose
messages arrive properly with you and Dag? Or might the spam filter
not like “4153” which might decode into two characters it finds
significant? Once I tried to send my brother a holiday picture of
Christchurch Cathedral (before the earthquake), and every message
with that picture, no matter how it was included, failed to arrive.
I changed the picture size by one pixel, to alter the ASCII coding,
and it went through fine.

Just a shot in the dark.



Martin

          Dag

Forssell (2017.06.02 09:15 PDT)–

          DF: I just noted that Allie (without identifier :( )

responded to Richard Pfau.

          Â RM: I looked up Richard in the list of CSGNet members

and see nothing unusual about his settings. But you are
not alone with this problem; Richard’s posts got to my
email spam box. I noticed this a couple months ago and now
always check my spam box for posts from Richard. When I
find them I Mark them “Not Spam” yet they continue to be
delivered to spam. Richard just sent an email so you might
check and see if it arrived in your spam box.Â

BestÂ

Rick

          [From:Â  Richard Pfau (2017.06.01 20:25 EDT)]



          Looking closely, I see Fred and Rick responded to other

recent posts from Richard Pfau.

          None of Richard Pfau's posts reached me, i.e. the CSGnet

archive. I think I recall one previous instance where I
saw a post from Richard in someone’s response, but not the
original.

          What might be the matter? I have no idea why the CSGnet

server would discriminate against me. Does anyone have any
idea? Do others also not see posts from Richard Pfau?

–
Richard S. MarkenÂ

                                  "Perfection

is achieved not when you have
nothing more to add, but when you
have
nothing left to take away.�
  Â
            Â
–Antoine de Saint-Exupery

5

I checked my spam and there they were with the same explanation that Malcolm mentioned

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On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Malcolm Ocean malcolm.m.ocean@gmail.com wrote:

Here’s gmail explaining why it thinks the email is spam… It seems to be more specific than being aol. Maybe Richard is using his own mailserver in a nonstandard way?

On Jun 2, 2017 14:20, “Martin Taylor” mmt-csg@mmtaylor.net wrote:

[Martin Taylor 2017.06.02.14.14]

[From Rick Marken (2017.06.02.1108)]

One data point... I have no such issue. Is it possible that some

spam filters have decided that “aol” addresses are unsafe for some
reason? Are there other CSGnet posters with aol addresses whose
messages arrive properly with you and Dag? Or might the spam filter
not like “4153” which might decode into two characters it finds
significant? Once I tried to send my brother a holiday picture of
Christchurch Cathedral (before the earthquake), and every message
with that picture, no matter how it was included, failed to arrive.
I changed the picture size by one pixel, to alter the ASCII coding,
and it went through fine.

Just a shot in the dark.



Martin

          Dag

Forssell (2017.06.02 09:15 PDT)–

          DF: I just noted that Allie (without identifier :( )

responded to Richard Pfau.

          Â RM: I looked up Richard in the list of CSGNet members

and see nothing unusual about his settings. But you are
not alone with this problem; Richard’s posts got to my
email spam box. I noticed this a couple months ago and now
always check my spam box for posts from Richard. When I
find them I Mark them “Not Spam” yet they continue to be
delivered to spam. Richard just sent an email so you might
check and see if it arrived in your spam box.Â

BestÂ

Rick

          [From:Â  Richard Pfau (2017.06.01 20:25 EDT)]



          Looking closely, I see Fred and Rick responded to other

recent posts from Richard Pfau.

          None of Richard Pfau's posts reached me, i.e. the CSGnet

archive. I think I recall one previous instance where I
saw a post from Richard in someone’s response, but not the
original.

          What might be the matter? I have no idea why the CSGnet

server would discriminate against me. Does anyone have any
idea? Do others also not see posts from Richard Pfau?

–
Richard S. MarkenÂ

                                  "Perfection

is achieved not when you have
nothing more to add, but when you
have
nothing left to take away.�
  Â
            Â
–Antoine de Saint-Exupery

6

[From Dag Forssell (2017.06.02 14:10 PDT)]

Richard, this post got through to the archive and I am responding to
it.

However, I notice that you sent it this way:

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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 14:02:10 -0400

From: richardpfau4153@aol.com

To: csgnet@lists.illinois.edu

Cc: csgarchive@pctresources.com

Message-Id: 15c69f8c585-69de-29dc3@webprd-a19.mail.aol.com

In-Reply-To:
201706021612.v52GCjVe016179@relays-agent08.techservices.illinois.edu

Subject: Re: Richard Pfau emails do not make it to CSGnet

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So you sent it direct AND through CSGnet. The direct one arrived, and my
filter sorted into the CSGarchive folder, fooling me for a while that
this post coma through CSGnet. This suggests that CSGnet does indeed fail
to forward your posts to me.

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MIME-Version: 1.0

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

boundary="----=_Part_212084_2002314940.1496426530178"

X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI

X-MB-Message-Type: User

X-Mailer: JAS STD

X-Originating-IP: [24.177.245.189]

x-aol-global-disposition: G

DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com;

s=20150623; t=1496426531;

bh=f222qnm3DNBBA30+jHyaPojkDtGwACncgdY38bM9JwI=;

h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type;

b=z3y1ff36Agi3PJj+FRGg1hKffB47PpJe2GQv5AjadGUWomCtdof3WZ2S/TNpyizV3

jFmzkNMubVBHTeHd37kV+AkH+E1gvIoG2/isQwWlLRYWkqrn7MZCumKm8I328D+IrS

KMtTOXFRccpy2fqWf+Eom+5gON/M+URp3fwY3RPo=

x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add505931a8227464

[From: Richard Pfau (2017.06.02 14:01 EDT)]

I searched my Eudora archive for richardpfau4153@aol.com during 2017 and
find several hits within CSGnet posts by others, plus this one only.

Searching 2015 and 2016, I see several from Richard in 2015.

My Eudora does not have a spam folder. I have no trace of the posts you
list.

Does someone else use Eudora any more? If so, and if Richard’s posts to
CSGnet are included, it would be possible to send me a mailbox with them.

Best, Dag

At 11:02 AM 6/2/2017, you wrote:

[From: Richard Pfau (2017.06.02
14:01 EDT)]

Dag,

Here’s the record I have of emails sent by me to CSGnet over the past few
months:

[From: Richard Pfau (2017.06.02 12:35
EDT)]

[From: Richard Pfau (2017.06.01 20:25 EDT)]

[From: Richard Pfau (2017.06.01 9:40 EDT)]

[From (Richard Pfau (2017.05.24 15:15 EDT)]

[From Richard Pfau (2017.05.16 15:20 EDT)]

[Richard Pfau (2017.05.15 9:35 EDT)]

Sun, May 14, 2017 3:10 pm [with no standard csg
identifier, as per standard procedure]

[From: Richard Pfau (2017.05.05 19:28 EDT)]

[From (Richard Pfau (2017.04.23 16:15 EDT)]

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 1:06 pm [with no standard csg
identifier]

[From (Richard Pfau (2017.04.19 13: 01 EST)]

[From: Richard Pfau (2017.04.04 10:52 EDT)]

[From: Richard Pfau (2017.03.29 11:00 DST)]

[From: Richard Pfau (2017.03.20 18:33 EDT)]

[From: Richard Pfau (2017.03.15 9:41 EDT)]

[From: Richard Pfau (2017.03.14 17:15 EST)]

Mon, Mar 13, 2017 11:34 pm [with no standard csg
identifier]

From [Richard Pfau (2017.03.13 17:25 EST)]

From [Richard Pfau (2017.03.13 15:00 EST)]

[From: Richard Pfau (2017.02.28 09:15 EST)]

[From: Richard Pfau (2017.02.12 14:15 EST)]

[From (Richard Pfau (2017.02.07 18:48 EST)]

[From Richard Pfau (2017.02.02 11:00 am EST)]

[From Richard Pfau (2017.02.01 10:33 am EST)]

I also sent a few emails directly to individuals in response to their csg
postings, but those emails didn’t seem warranted for general posting to
the entire csgnet.

If any of the above mentioned postings were not received by you, then
indeed they did not go through.

With Regards,

Richard

-----Original Message-----

From: Dag Forssell csgarchive@pctresources.com

To: csgnet csgnet@lists.illinois.edu

Sent: Fri, Jun 2, 2017 12:12 pm

Subject: Richard Pfau emails do not make it to CSGnet

[From: Dag Forssell (2017.06.02 09:15 PDT)]

I just noted that Allie (without identifier :frowning: ) responded to Richard
Pfau.

[From: Richard Pfau (2017.06.01 20:25 EDT)]

Looking closely, I see Fred and Rick responded to other recent posts

from Richard Pfau.

None of Richard Pfau’s posts reached me, i.e. the CSGnet archive. I

think I recall one previous instance where I saw a post from Richard

in someone’s response, but not the original.

What might be the matter? I have no idea why the CSGnet server would

discriminate against me. Does anyone have any idea? Do others also

not see posts from Richard Pfau?

Best, Dag

7

[From Dag Forssell (2017.06.02 17:40 PDT)]

I have double-checked my settings at my host, PowWeb, and see that for all domains that are hosted on my account, there is no spam filter anywhere.
I.e. I have not selected spam filtering as mail passes my Internet host.

I said that Eudora has no spam folder. Well, it has a Junk folder.
I have several instances of Eudora on my computer. Each collects attachments to a designated folder, so I have an instance of Eudora specifically for CSGnet, with a dedicated folder for CSGnet attachments.

I have never received any mail to the Junk folder in this instance of Eudora. I certainly get mail to Junk folders in other instances of Eudora, as Eudora has some built-in point system to rate incoming mail. Most of my incoming mail is white-filtered to specific mailboxes. Mail with csgnet@lists.illinois.edu in any header is filtered to the archive folder, while mail send direct to csgarchive@pctresources.com is not filtered and appears in the In-box.

Those who know me know that my regular address for PCT correspondence is dag@livingcontrolsystems.com, but on occasion someone will send direct mail to csgarchive@pctresources.com. I see it.

Best, dag