Science-religion fiction(s)

From Greg Williams (930524)

Bill Powers (930523.0700 MDT)

Holy Smokes, man, with requirements like that even Jesus Christ
would have had to give up. After all, it took J. C. 100 years
even to make it into the literature.

But he didn't have the Internet! The trick is to get enough positive
P.R. without being crucified. Lots of luck....

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Joel Judd 930524

I completely agree with you that there can't be a single God
described in so many contradictory ways, so there's two alternatives:
there isn't a God and PCT imagination comes up with different
characterizations, or there is a "correct" religion but the way
to determine that for any given person is not explainable in
current PCT terms.

Is there ANY way at present to explain which religion is "correct," in
PCT or other terms NOT presupposing acceptance of the "correct"
religion?

I was thinking, though, there seem to be some die-hard converts to
PCT around these parts. Do all of them go around actively investigating
other "religions" now that they've found the "truth"?

I certainly do. Good thing you put "truth" in quotes. I still think it is
ALL theory -- all faith, if you will -- from Christian Science to
General Relativity. But (for each person -- each theorizer), the evidence
for each "faith" is NOT the same.

The best rule of thumb I've
found so far is "By their fruits ye shall know them."

Indeed, and with great emphasis on the "ye" -- each evaluator of the
evidence of the "fruits" has his/her unique criteria for making his/her
judgements. The problems begin when one tells another that only the
first one's criteria are "truth."

So maybe we've come to an impasse until I can model my beliefs?

Yep. As they relate to the PCT model. Until then, I won't buy your claims
that the PCT model supports certain (traditional) religious concepts such
as "free will."

As ever,

Greg

From Tom Bourbon (930524.1633)

From Greg Williams (930524)

Bill Powers (930523.0700 MDT)

Holy Smokes, man, with requirements like that even Jesus Christ
would have had to give up. After all, it took J. C. 100 years
even to make it into the literature.

But he didn't have the Internet! The trick is to get enough positive
P.R. without being crucified. Lots of luck....

Oh, ye of little faith!

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Joel Judd 930524

I was thinking, though, there seem to be some die-hard converts to
PCT around these parts. Do all of them go around actively investigating
other "religions" now that they've found the "truth"?

I certainly do. Good thing you put "truth" in quotes. I still think it is
ALL theory -- all faith, if you will -- from Christian Science to
General Relativity. But (for each person -- each theorizer), the evidence
for each "faith" is NOT the same.

Ditto, Joel. It was after I became convinced that PCT was worth pursuing
that my Behaviorist Bookshelf and Cognitivist Bookshelf grew the most. I am
not looking for truth -- that went out when I walked away from my
theological studies -- but for a testable model. Every time someone tells
me that the other guys have already found one, or have just changed their
old one into a testable one, I go to see if that is so. (Well, maybe not
every time these days .... As James "The Amazing" Randi loves to say, a
person should keep an open mind to extraordinary claims, but if you have
heard that reindeer really know how to fly, how many of them do you need to
see fall to the pavement after leaping from the top of the World Trade
Center in New York before you begin to have doubts?)

Until later,
  Tom Bourbon