[From Bruce Gregory (2000.0902.1714)]
It's too bad we can't find a graduate student in sociology to analyze the
CSGnet archives. I'd like to suggest a few questions that such a study might
address. Why do so few people post to CSGnet? Are newcomers welcomed? Are
new ideas welcomed? Are applications of the fundamental model welcomed? Are
there insiders and outsiders? Are those who question assumptions encouraged
or treated as defectors?
Please feel free to add to this list.
BG
Bruce Gregory wrote:
[From Bruce Gregory (2000.0902.1714)]
It's too bad we can't find a graduate student in sociology to analyze the
CSGnet archives. I'd like to suggest a few questions that such a study might
address. Why do so few people post to CSGnet? Are newcomers welcomed? Are
new ideas welcomed? Are applications of the fundamental model welcomed? Are
there insiders and outsiders? Are those who question assumptions encouraged
or treated as defectors?Please feel free to add to this list.
BG
Why do you need a sociology graduate? Are these not questions that can be
answered by applying PCT.
I have not seen a newcomer welcomed.
One of the basic characteristics recognised about groups is that there are
insiders and outsiders.
Are you trying to tell the main people on CSGnet to give others a go, to be more
welcoming, to be more comprehensive etc.?
Are you asking those of us who lurk to say something?
Are you not happy with the group?
Do you really want a sociology graduate to analyze things or do you want a
change? If it is the second tell the group what you would like changed.
I'd like to see that!
[From Rick Marken (2000.09.04.2120)]
Bruce Gregory (2000.0902.1714)
It's too bad we can't find a graduate student in sociology
to analyze the CSGnet archives. I'd like to suggest a few
questions that such a study might address.
I'll take a crack at it.
Why do so few people post to CSGnet?
How many is "few"? I looked at a couple of the archive files from
last month (August) and found posts from the following:
E. Jorgenson
S. Williams
B. Nevin
B. Gregory
B. Abbott
B. Powers
R. Marken
M. Lazare
I. Kurtzer
K. Kitzke
D. Robertson
P. Runkel
R. Kennaway
B. Curry
F. Nichols
G. Cziko
That's 16 posters. If I had looked over the last couple of
months I could have probably added a few more.
Is 16 "few"? It seems like a pretty goodly number to me. How
many posters do you think there should be?
Are newcomers welcomed?
Yes. I believe someone always says "welcome" to a newcomer. But
I'll have to check the data; my estimate is based on memory.
Are new ideas welcomed?
I don't understand the question. New ideas are "welcomed" in the
sense that their publication on CSGNet is not censored and the
ideas are usually discussed. They are not "welcomed" in the
sense of being accepted uncritically.
Are applications of the fundamental model welcomed?
Again, I don't understand the question. Descriptions of applications
of PCT are certainly welcomed in the sense that they are not
censored and they are usually discussed. But, again, they are not
welcomed in the sense of being accepted uncritically.
Are there insiders and outsiders?
I think that can appear to be true. I hope there aren't people
who feel like they have some special "insider" social status.
But I'm afraid there may be people who feel like "outsiders".
People who are working to test and extend PCT would probably
appear to be "insiders"; I doubt that they feel that way, though.
People who make authoritative statements about PCT that are
challenged by those perceived as "insiders" probably feel like
"outsiders". That's unfortunate.
Are those who question assumptions encouraged or treated as
defectors?
They are _encouraged_ to question assumptions by doing research
to test those assumptions or by building models to show the
questionable behavioral implications of those assumptions.
Best
Rick
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Life Learning Associates e-mail: marken@mindreadings.com
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[From Rick Marken (2000.09.04.2130)]
Ray & Merry Bennett wrote:
I have not seen a newcomer welcomed.
Oops!
Welcome, Ray and Merry! How about telling us something
about yourselves. How did you discover CSGNet? What is
the nature of your interest in PCT?
Best
Rick
--
Richard S. Marken Phone or Fax: 310 474-0313
Life Learning Associates e-mail: marken@mindreadings.com
mindreadings.com
Rick Marken wrote:
Welcome, Ray and Merry!
Thanks Rick. I've been lurking for almost a year.
How about telling us something
about yourselves.
I am a teacher who through my investigative approach happen to stumble
on PCT via the net. I have bought books on the subject by Bill and by Ed
Ford. I also attended a conference run by Tim Carey. The theory
resonates well with my experience and so I am now trying to shake off
the strongly embedded ideas based on behaviourism, and stimulus
-response theory. It is extremely hard in an environment thoroughly
founded on S-R.
How did you discover CSGNet?
It was mentioned on the web page of PCT.
What is
the nature of your interest in PCT?
I think I mentioned it above. I am working in a school whose approach
to discipline uses the strategies of 'Assertive Discipline'. (set out
by Canter & Canter)
I know heaps about counter power!
I actually wrote on the RTP net and had only one response. I want to
learn to think and talk in PCT ways to give respect to others. Power,
equity and hegemony are concepts/issues I have been researching for a
number of years.
Regards,
Ray
PS. I am not sure if I have set out this response correctly!
Richard S. Marken Phone or Fax: 310 474-0313
Life Learning Associates e-mail: marken@mindreadings.com
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