Somethings of potential interest

[From Oded Maler [970108]

1) In the Journal "Neural Networks" vol 9 no. 8 Nov 96 I saw
an article called "Forward Models in Physiological Motor control"
which I think (without reading, of course) is related to the
"model-based" discussion here (in which I support [without reading
in detail] Bruce A., Martin and Hans vs. Rick and Bill P. - just
based on pereception of the form od the argument).

2) What do you think of the Mind-Drive device? Have you used it?

3) There is a group of people in Japan and US doing a robot
soccer competition. It goes in two version - one is real and one is
simulated. In the simulated version there is a server that simulates
the field and every competitor sends its control program (client)
that interacts with the servers via some protocol (to get "sensor"
readings, to give commands to your players, to "shout" messages).
I think a PC version is (or will be soon available). It seems to be
an interesting testbed for social and individual control.

The address of their mailing list is:

RoboCup@csl.sony.co.jp

--Oded

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[From Bill Powers (970108.0620 MST)]

Oded Maler [970108]--

1) In the Journal "Neural Networks" vol 9 no. 8 Nov 96 I saw
an article called "Forward Models in Physiological Motor control"
which I think (without reading, of course) is related to the
"model-based" discussion here (in which I support [without reading
in detail] Bruce A., Martin and Hans vs. Rick and Bill P. - just
based on pereception of the form od the argument).

I don't have access to it -- could you describe what the article is about?

2) What do you think of the Mind-Drive device? Have you used it?

Haven't even heard of it. What is it?

Best,

Bill P.

[From Oded Maler 970108-b]

[Bill Powers (970108.0620 MST)]

Oded Maler [970108]--

>1) In the Journal "Neural Networks" vol 9 no. 8 Nov 96 I saw
>an article called "Forward Models in Physiological Motor control"
I don't have access to it -- could you describe what the article is about?

I'll xerox next time I visit the lib and will send you. It's about
imagination/model models in motor-control.

>2) What do you think of the Mind-Drive device? Have you used it?

Haven't even heard of it. What is it?

It's a new type of computer input device. It's a set of electrodes
that you wear on your finger and there is a software that is supposed
to detect your "volitional signals" so that you can use your thoughts
instead of moving the mouse. It comes with computer games in which you
can "ski" left and right just by thinking. A mind reader, in short.
Look at:

http://www.other90.com/new/

Regards,

--Oded

[From Rick Marken (970108.1300)]

Oded Maler (970108) --

I saw an article called "Forward Models in Physiological Motor
control" which I think (without reading, of course) is related to
the "model-based" discussion here

Very likely. Forward models are models of the outputs to be generated
in order to produce an intended effect. Hans' model is a "forward
model" of motor control.

(in which I support [without reading in detail] Bruce A., Martin and
Hans vs. Rick and Bill P. - just based on pereception of the form
od the argument).

If there were no such thing as experimental test (did you try the
Runblind program, Oded?) I could use Oded's opinion as a perfect
inverse model of what to say in order to be on the correct side of
an argument;-)

Best

Rick

[From Bill Powers (970108.1700 MST)]

Oded Maler 970108-b --

I'll xerox next time I visit the lib and will send you. It's about
imagination/model models in motor-control.

That would be very thoughful, Oded. Thanks.

>2) What do you think of the Mind-Drive device? Have you used it?

Haven't even heard of it. What is it?

It's a new type of computer input device. It's a set of electrodes
that you wear on your finger and there is a software that is supposed
to detect your "volitional signals" so that you can use your thoughts
instead of moving the mouse. It comes with computer games in which you
can "ski" left and right just by thinking. A mind reader, in short.

I checked out the Web page. The salesmanship is pretty loud, but maybe they
have something. At only $130, maybe someone with that much to spend can try
it out. I'd like to know how much training is needed and whether the device
can do more than on-off switching. Actually, I have a mind-controlled device
that responds quickly, proportionally, and sensitively to what I think of it
doing. Unfortunately it has taken me 70 years to train it, and it seems to
be developing some minor bugs. But for the time being I think I'll go on
using it (my hand).

Best,

Bill P.