[spam] Re: How behaviours stored in the brain

Mr Powers, you’re so warm! Thanks for your explanation.

Does it means like this? A sequence of “reference signals” stored on the X axis, and when it’s implemented along the X axis, actions generated on the Y axis make the controlled variable approach the reference one. Meanwhile, there’s no fixed plans, actions adjust the controlled variable against disturbance. According to my understanding, I drew a figure (attach file).

The following text has nothing to do with PCT, it’s my brief statement. So to those who are not interested in me, I’m sorry for disturbing you.:slight_smile:

These days, I’m interested in building a new architecture of programming, which adapts to machine itself in low level while our advanced programming languages adapt to human beings. The advanced language like C/C++ is a kind of script based on our language. If we want a
machine to adjust or make programs itself, it will need to understand our languages first when using C/C++. Using genetic algorithm to generate programs won’t be the best choice. It costs creatures lots of time and bodies in evolution.

If we want to build a self-programming machine, a new structure is needed. So I’m thinking of how behaviors stored in our brains since they’re a kind of programs. The program is a set of controlling, isn’t it? I turned to PCT for help, after Archy (little bug Mr. Kennaway made) came across me.

I’ll use a kind of nodes, which is stronger than neurons and in lower level than agents, to be the basic unit of this new structure. A network links one node to another. Every node has a special variable called “temperature”. To those perceptual nodes like sensors, their temperature is used to sign how much they are different from others. To those control nodes, the temperature is used to sign how
much they affect on the controlled variables.

So, the sequence I referred to before is not a fixed chain. After a node was implemented, it will boost the temperature of next step. In this way, the behavior may be broken in the half way since there’s other disturbance on the temperature. So, the “activation” referred to in the last mail related to this thought.

And, I have lots of thoughts on this, if you wish or fell confusing of what I said, you could contact me directly at frank_bbbw@yahoo.com.cn. You all are my teachers.

Now I’m a freshman at Shanghai Jiao Tong University, P.R.China. So, what I said here seems pompous and naive. Please forgive me for my impertinence.

Best regards,

Bo Wang

Bill Powers powers_w@FRONTIER.NET 写道:

[From Bill Powers (2006.06.19.0730 MDT)]

Wang Bo (2006.06.18) –

What’s your opinion on how behaviours stored in the brain?
A series of supposed inputs and outputs?
Or a series of intended input?

According to PCT, it seems to squints towards the second one. A
sequence of intended inputs stored in brain. When the head of chain
was actived(by some stimulus), every node generates output according
to the intended input in it.

Or you have other ideas?

Yes, you are correct that PCT would be consistent with the second
one. As you probably know, the control of sequences is
just one level
of organization that has been proposed. There are ten others, some at
higher levels and others at lower levels. Only the lower levels have
been put to any serious tests – the rest are still only hypotheses
based on informal observations.

However, the idea that an external stimulus activates a stored
sequence is different from the PCT idea. In PCT, stimuli do not cause
behavior, but just the opposite. The organism produces behavior
(actions, movements, physical forces) as a means of causing
perceptions to occur, and it adjusts the behavior to make the
perceptions match internal “reference signals”. Because the behavior
acts on perceptions through the external world, and perceptions
represent the external world, we can often observe aspects of the
environment bing controlled when we see another organism behaving,
expecially when we perceive in the same way that the observed

organism perceives.

Independent external influences can change one or more perceptions
that an organism is controlling, by acting on the world that the
organism is sensing. Such influences are called disturbances. If a
perception is being controlled, the organism will act to prevent it
from changing, and this action will appear to be a “response” to a
“stimulus”. This is how the appearance of stimuli causing responses
is explained in PCT. We identify such “stimuli” as disturbances of
controlled variables.

At the sequence level of organization, the theory says, a sequence of
perceptions would be stored as potential reference signals, like
memories of the elements of the sequence. When a higher system
specifies that a certain sequence is to be perceived, the organism
will act (through lower-level systems) to create that sequence,
matching the perceived sequence to the reference sequence. But in

general, this will not result in a specific sequence of behaviors –
postures, movements, or forces – because the environment normally is
changing. Repeating the same sequence of actions will not cause the
same sequence of results to occur. In order for a specific sequence
of perceived results to occur, the actions must vary so as to
compensate for variations in the environment. This is how the subject
of negative feedback control arises in PCT. Only a negative feedback
control system is able to alter its actions to keep the perceived
result the same when unpredictable and invisible disturbances occur.
Systems based on stimulus and response cannot do this.

I hope this is not ten times as much information as you wanted, and
that I have at least partially answered your question. I would like
to know what your interest in PCT is.-- can you tell us a little
about yourself?

Best regards,

Bill P.

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[From Rick Marken (2006.06.20.1000)]

Now I'm a freshman at Shanghai Jiao Tong University, P.R.China.

It would be wonderful if you could attend the CSG Conference on PCT and Systems Science in Guangzhou this July. The CSG would be happy to pay for your attendance; we have a policy of supporting student attendance at CSG meetings in the US; I'm sure we can extend this policy to students in China. Information about the CSG (Control Systems Group) and the meeting in Guangzhou can be found at http://www.bluwiki.org/go/CSG2006.

Best regards

Rick

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On Tuesday, June 20, 2006, at 03:37 AM, Frank 王 wrote:
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`>In PCT there are levels of organization. At one level, a stored `
`>sequence may exist, and elements of that sequence are picked one at a `
`>time to serve as directives to the next level down`
`>Nothing is said to any lower system about HOW it is to create a `
`>certain amount of the perception it controls. This is why you `
` >can't plan actions. You can plan only outcomes, only perceived
results.

`
`I see, it¡¯s what in HPCT. Dividing a object into layers increase its `
`adaptability.

`
`>I agree! Are you familiar with the process I call "E. coli `
`>reorganization"?

`
`I¡¯m not familiar with ¡°E. coli reorganization¡±. After looking it up, `
`there¡¯s a kind of protein related to that. Did you mean the control`
`of flagellums on bacterias?

`
`>It would be interesting to see it implemented in a `
`>self-organizing computer program.

`
`Do you know a theory called ¡°Evolutionary Robotics¡±? People`
`are trying hard to use evolutionary programming like `
`genetic algorithm in the control of robots.`
`Here¡¯s a tutorial on evolutionary robotics:`
http://www.me.chalmers.se/~mwahde/IROS2004_ER**tutorial**.php
`Their note is clear, and they gave some animations that show `
`their works. Though experiments are simple, they are `
`worthy to take a look at.

`
`>You will find that in PCT, the basic unit of organization is a `
`>negative feedback control system. That may be what you are looking `
`>for: more than a neuron, less than an agent.

`
`Thanks for your advice! I¡¯ll look into negative feedback `
`control system before I give a response.

`
`>I still think it would be better to substitute a specific model for
`
`>metaphor. What I like is not what everybody likes, naturally.

`
`On explaining ¡°temperature¡± which is in my mind, I could write a long paper.`
`I¡¯m going to put a complete explanation on web. In general, it¡¯s`
`related to attention system. The plan in high level you have mentioned`
`will become a flexible and breakable chain with the use of this variable`
`and correlative system, not the script we have now.`
`I named it ¡°temperature¡± because this idea came out from my study`
`of visual system. There¡¯re hot and cold rooms in the visual field.`
`I put this to the control part.`
`This ¡°me¡± who appears to others and myself, is a set of what is ¡°hot¡±,`
`like Floyd¡¯s iceberg idea. Cold parts are under water while hot parts`
`are showing. Imagine a screen filled with dots which could show its`
`temperature (brightness means hot and darkness means cold). In the position`
` of observers, those bright
dots will constitute a image, which reflects`
`some kind of information. That is ¡°me¡±.

`
`>How can you have new thoughts if you worry about how you sound to `
`>other people? You must be the main critic of your own thoughts -- `
`>you're not going to take other people's criticisms as seriously as `
`>you take your own, are you? Go ahead and think up crazy ideas. You `
` >can always throw away
the ones that don't work. The world knows about `
`>only a tenth of my great ideas. I am very glad for that, but I am `
`>also glad that I kept a few of them.

`
`Yes, I am! Also, I¡¯m looking for other ideas to make mine develop.

`
`>I repeat what Rik Marken said: I hope you can come to the CSG meeting `
`>in Guangzhou.

`
` Thanks for your invite! I¡¯m willing to be there, and I had
contacted`
`Mr. Marken on this.

`
`Best regards,`

Bo Wang

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