# Studying Control With the Two slit experiment.

**URL:** <http://discourse.iapct.org/t/studying-control-with-the-two-slit-experiment/10863>\
**Category:** CSG2010\
**Created:** [April 4, 2010, 7:39am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/studying-control-with-the-two-slit-experiment/10863 "2010-04-04T07:39:10Z")\
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**Post date:** [April 4, 2010, 7:39am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/studying-control-with-the-two-slit-experiment/10863/1 "2010-04-04T07:39:10Z")

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(Gavin Ritz, 2010.04.04.19.22NZT)

[From Rick Marken  
(2010.04.02.0900)]

> Gavin Ritz (2010.04.01.12.07NZT)

> 

I can see why some people get very confused there’s  
not much rigour in some of the terms. I certainly start getting confused.

Anyway I’m please you cleared  
that up. I was beginning to think that there are other variables that I have  
not heard of before.

That is a good article you  
wrote it makes things quite clear on a classical physics level and PCT.

I now see where you place your  
focus in PCT. (on the controlled variable). I’m more interested in the reference  
signal. But that’s another discussion.

The next thing I would like to  
discuss is the two slit experiment in Quantum Mechanics. If PCT can come up  
with a rigorous answer to this then this would go a way to getting some folk to  
sit up listen.

Have you thought about what are  
the controlled variables in the two slit experiment. Why is there a duality? What’s  
going on with the perceptual signal? What’s the reference signal doing?

Regards

Gavin

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**Post date:** [April 4, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/studying-control-with-the-two-slit-experiment/10863/2 "2010-04-04T17:45:49Z")

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[From Rick Marken (2010.04.04.1050)]

> Gavin Ritz (2010.04.04.19.22NZT) to Rick Marken (2010.04.02.0900)--
> 
> That is a good article you wrote it makes things quite clear on a classical  
> physics level and PCT.

Gee, thanks!

> I now see where you place your focus in PCT. (on the controlled variable).  
> I�m more interested in the reference signal. But that�s another discussion.

They are very closely related. The state of the controlled variable is  
determined (in a well designed control system) by the value of the  
reference signal. The reference signal is like an independent variable  
and the controlled variable is like the dependent variable.

> The next thing I would like to discuss is the two slit experiment in Quantum  
> Mechanics. If PCT can come up with a rigorous answer to this then this would  
> go a way to getting some folk to sit up listen.

That's Bill Powers' territory. I was just barely able to get the balls  
in my ball catching model to move in that parabolic trajectory due to  
gravity and all.

> Have you thought about what are the controlled variables in the two slit  
> experiment. Why is there a duality? What�s going on with the perceptual  
> signal? What�s the reference signal doing?

Maybe Bill will answer this for you. I think he had some interesting  
ideas about this that we discussed several years ago.

Happy Easter! Hope you find some Easter eggs (if you have a reference  
for finding them;-)

Best

Rick

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> --  
> Richard S. Marken PhD  
> rsmarken@gmail.com  
> www.mindreadings.com

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**Post date:** [April 5, 2010, 5:40am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/studying-control-with-the-two-slit-experiment/10863/3 "2010-04-05T05:40:44Z")

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(Gavin Ritz 2010.04.05.17.36NZT)

[From Rick Marken  
(2010.04.04.1050)]

> Gavin Ritz (2010.04.04.19.22NZT) to Rick Marken (2010.04.02.0900)–

> 

> > That is a good article you wrote it makes  
> > things quite clear on a \>\>classical

> > physics level and PCT.

.Gee, thanks!

You seem surpised!

> > I now see where you place your focus in PCT.  
> > (on the controlled \>\>variable).

> > I’m more interested in the reference  
> > signal. But that’s another \>\>discussion.

> They are very closely related.

Of course they are. I prefer to focus on the Reference  
signal because I think there may be some gold there.

> The state of the controlled variable is

> determined (in a well designed control system) by  
> the value of the

> reference signal. The reference signal is like an  
> independent variable

> and the controlled variable is like the dependent  
> variable.

> The next thing I would like to discuss is the two  
> slit experiment in Quantum

> Mechanics. If PCT can come up with a rigorous  
> answer to this then this would

> go a way to getting some folk to sit up listen.

That’s Bill Powers’ territory.  
I was just barely able to get the balls

in my ball catching model to move in that parabolic  
trajectory due to

gravity and all.

> Have you thought about what are the controlled  
> variables in the two slit

> experiment. Why is there a duality? What’s  
> going on with the perceptual

> signal? What’s the reference signal doing?

Maybe Bill will answer this for you. I think he had some interesting

ideas about this that we discussed several years ago.

Happy Easter! Hope you find some Easter eggs (if you have a reference

for finding them;-)

I’m looking forward to an  
answer or some ideas.