Testing "Self", The Test

[From Rick Marken (980313.1000)]

Dick Robertson (980313.0639CST) --

Thanks for the paper, Dick. It's extremely well written and
_very_ interesting. I highly recommend it to Jeff Vancouver
and all others interested in studying more complex controlled
perceptions, like the perception of "self". This is a _great_
first step in showing how The Test can be used to study these
"high level" controlled perceptions. Just superb! (See, I can
do more than criticize and bad mouth; just give me some good
material to work with;-) Write more papers, Dick (and David, et al)!!


Wow. You've even tried building a model of control of qi. This
sounds like really great stuff, Bruce. Why haven't you told me
about this research before now?

Bruce Abbott (980313.1130 EST) --

I have. In fact, you were part of the group of us (Bill P., you,
and me) who corresponded regularly via email about this research
as it was being conducted. Along with Bill, you received weekly
zip files containing all the data collected since the previous
week. You also received all the programs Bill and I developed to
examine and analyze the data. Don't you remember?

Oh. I thought you were talking about research you had already
published. Of course I remember the research you did with Bill
(I was just watching). As I recall, you never really got any clear
evidence of a controlled variable (though I believe Bill did develop
a reasonably good model of the behavior of some of the rats
under the assumption that food input (grams/unit time?) was under
control). I don't think you ever really got to the point of Testing
different hypotheses about qi by applying different amounts and
types of disturbance to a hypothesized qi. I think you basically
Tested the effect of _one_ change in the feedback function connecting
the rat's output to it's food input (by changing how much food was
available in the "home" cage) on food input (as inferred from
daily measures of body weight and excrement weight). There was,
indeed, evidence that food input is controlled. But there was no
systematic Test to determine what perceptual aspect of that input
(weight/time, calories/time, volume/time, etc), if any, was under

But that research was a good start. Have you developed any methods
since then for more clearly demonstrating controlled variables in
these operant type situations?


Richard S. Marken Phone or Fax: 310 474-0313
Life Learning Associates e-mail: rmarken@earthlink.net