The state of the PCT/IT war; Gary's poll

Gary: It's too soon to do your poll. There's still no common
understanding about what "information about X in Y" means. Progress is
so slow and painful, yet I see it coming, despite the ranting.
Strangely, I usually agree with both sides. Am I confused? Are they?
Are we all?

Here are some of the many questions that have been going around:

1) Is there information about d(t) in p(t) [what does it mean for X
to have information about Y? is that d(t) in p(t) (at a particular
time) or d in p (the whole waveform)?]

2) Is information transferred from d(t) to p(t)? [what's the relation
between "transmission" and "aboutness" from (1)?]

3) Is there any useful information about d(t) in p(t) [what's "useful"
information?]

4) Can d(t) be reconstructed from p(t)? [what does this have to do
with information from d to p?]

5) Can p(t) HELP in reconstructing d(t)? [what's the quantitative
measure, and what does that have to do with information?]

6) Is IT irrelavent to PCT? [seems unlikely: IT isn't complete bunk]

7) Is IT interesting wrt/PCT? [depends on what aspects of PCT you're
interested in: necessary properties of ECSs or their actual
construction and function]

8) Does PCT require IT? [require for what purpose: can it make
accurate predictions wo/IT? can it make better predictions w/IT?]

9) Can PCT be stated in IT terms? [what good is a complementary model
for its own sake?]

10) Can PCT be derived from IT? [show me]

11) etc.

I think so far a farily good job has been done exploring many of these
questions. As yet, few of them have answers. Question (1) depends on
most of the rest, and will be a long time coming.

Patience! Perseverence! Do not disengage! (but do, please take a break!)

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Systems Science, SUNY Binghamton NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
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[from Gary Cziko 930408.1740]

Cliff Joslyn (930408) says:

Gary: It's too soon to do your poll. There's still no common
understanding about what "information about X in Y" means. Progress is
so slow and painful, yet I see it coming, despite the ranting.

Isn't it always too early? You may add "INFORMATION TOO EARLY" if "MAYBE
INFORMATION" doesn't already cover this category for you.

We can always do another poll later.--Gary

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