The Williams-Powers Debates

[from Gary Cziko 921019.0217 GMT]

Greg Williams (921018) queries:

To netters: Has anyone other than Bill and I really read all the way to here?
If you have, do you think it worth reading? Please let me know at your
earliest convenience. If I receive no positive replies, I think I'll post no
more in this well-trod field, except maybe a "Warning! Live Mines!" sign.

I think I've read all the posts, although perhaps not all of every one.
I've found much of it quite worth reading, and when I'm pressed for time or
find something that seems repetitious or uninspiring, I skim through or
jump to the next post.

I don't see why anyone should feel reluctant to discuss issues relevant to
PCT on the network with anyone else on the network. Indeed I would prefer
that the private discussions that have been going between some netters on
relevant to PCT all be put on the net so that all may enjoy or disregard as
each wishes. I don't see discussions on CSGnet as an imposition on anyone,
rather as sharing. As Bill has said, we all have delete keys (or a mouse
with which to drag things into the trash bin).

So I say carry on, as long as Bill is willing to continue. I only ask that
if there is some particularly important breakthrough or "final" agreement
that it be indentified as such in the subject header and posted so that
those CSGnetters not interested in the blow by blow but only the final
score can be kept informed.



A "deceptive dog" story, told to Pat yesterday: Two dogs (same breed and size)
in a household were given a treat of leftover meat (one hunk). One of the dogs
roared away to the door and began barking like crazy. (The dogs do that when
anyone appears at the door.) The second dog followed, barking. Immediately,
the first dog ran back to the meat and chowed down. The second dog remained,
barking, at the door, long enough for the first dog to get all of the meat.

This is a good story indeed, but did it actually happen? I find it hard to
believe, but not living with dogs perhaps I underestimate their powers of
perceptual control.

If true, this is a very impressive Umweg solution. For the "smart" dog, he
somehow perceives that the shortest way to getting all the meat in his
stomach is not to proceed directly to the feast but rather take a detour to
the front door and bring along his rival. I wonder if the smart dog is
also less dominant in some way so that he would likely lose in a physical
face off over the meat.--Gary

P.S. Maybe there really WAS someone at the front door, or at least a
passing squirrel or rabbit. Let's get out another chunk of meat and try it
again, I say, ever the skeptic.

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