unsubscribing

I am not following protocols with this email. Sorry. I would like to
unsubscribe. Would some kind person please let me know the process? I am
finding the subjects of discussion are too personal and specific to no
longer be helpful or interesting. A bit like naval gazing.
Regards,
Ray

From [Marc Abrams (2004.05.15.1948)

No need too Ray if it's because of my posts. I won't be contributing
anything anymore.

Marc

Considering how often throughout history even intelligent people have
been proved to be wrong, it is amazing that there are still people who
are convinced that the only reason anyone could possibly say something
different from what they believe is stupidity or dishonesty.

Being smart is what keeps some people from being intelligent.

Thomas Sowell

Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the
difference.

Anon

I don't approve of political jokes. I've seen too many of them get
elected

Anon

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-----Original Message-----
From: Control Systems Group Network (CSGnet)
[mailto:CSGNET@listserv.uiuc.edu] On Behalf Of Ray & Merry Bennett
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 7:01 PM
To: CSGNET@listserv.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: unsubscribing

I am not following protocols with this email. Sorry. I would
like to unsubscribe. Would some kind person please let me
know the process? I am finding the subjects of discussion are
too personal and specific to no longer be helpful or
interesting. A bit like naval gazing. Regards, Ray

[From Bryan Thalhammer (2004.05.16.0945 CDT)]

[mailto:CSGNET@listserv.uiuc.edu]On Behalf Of Ray & Merry Bennett
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:01 PM

... I would like to
unsubscribe. Would some kind person please let me know the process? I am
finding the subjects of discussion are too personal and specific to no
longer be helpful or interesting. A bit like naval gazing.
Regards,
Ray

Ray, I am indeed sorry that you have chosen to unsubscribe. I had done so
earlier this year, and it was only because of talking to some other members
of the group that I decided to resume receiving messages. I still
automatically delete messages from Bill Williams and Marc Abrams, and my
inbox is rather placid, unless I choose to dig through their quotations in
other folks's messsages. I am not sure who it is who can remove you from the
list, but some kind person will do that for you, I am sure. I hope you stay,
and use your computer system to automatically delete/filter contributors'
messages that are personal or annoying to you. However, I wanted you and
others to know about the Yahoo! group alternative.

I sent a note to Phil Runkel, regarding the Yahoo Group that has been
offered as an experimental other choice to the LISTSERV. I offer that note
here, trimmed of more personal notes, so that you and others (lurkers or
contributors) can see the philosophy behind my offering this alternative.
With the greatest of respect to you, Phil, Bill P., Bill W., Marc, and
others. The note reads:

"Phil,

"Here is the deal: There are now two forums that a person interested in PCT
can subscribe to (or unsubscribe from):

* CSGNET: CSGNET@listserv.uiuc.edu (LISTSERV)
* csgnet: csgnet@yahoogroups.com (YG)

"As of now, [if you would be subscribed to both] both of these discussion
groups should feed into your ... account, and you should have no need to
visit the YG site to view the messages, other than you would like to visit
the site to learn more about Yahoo! groups, and what they can offer.

* csgnet YG: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/csgnet/

"The first [forum], by convention, is open to anyone, and no one will get
moderated, banned, or told off by the PC police. However, that forces a lot
of folks to decide that it is simply not worth listening to all that
kerfafel, as Michelle points out. Ray & Merry Bennett ... have decided to
opt out of the LISTSERV.

"The second, by agreement, is open to anyone at first, but those folks who
do not play by the gameplan, which is clearly stated on the CSGnet home
page, will first be moderated (their messages will be vetted, edited, and
finally not distributed to the group), then suspended, and finally banned.
Bill Powers does not prefer this method, with good reason. However, other
folks, who observe standards of decorum and wonder why others cannot, do
prefer this second type of forum, also with good reason. I do not wish to
create a division, only a distinction.

"The way we keep ... any person who has posted or continues to post messages
that flaunt the rules of decorum is this: We let them in, we give them a
chance, and then those people who have taken on the roles of moderators will
share the task of moderating, editing, and banning their messages, and then
finally deleting them from the group, if they continue to annoy the group.
That is it.

"Now, one more thing. I respect the rights of Bill W., Marc, and anyone else
to post messages that test the theory using fact, not opinion. I respect
their rights to scientifically push against the theory, showing where it can
be improved or disproved. However, I do not consider it a right to
speak/write in such a way that makes for an inhospitable environment, where
otherwise free speech could occur. It is a very thin line, and I don't like
to have to be the [only] one to articulate it, so that I hope others will
assist me. Goodness knows, I helped create the YG as an alternative to
LISTSERV, but I am not here to create a group just for courteous people,
only for people who act in a manner that does not discourage others from
participating in and evangelizing the theory.

"Hope that explains it!

"Kind regards,

"--Bryan"

--- Philip Runkel <runk@darkwing.uoregon.edu> escribio:

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Bryan: Well, how does Yahoo shield me from [------]?
Is it your hope that all the courteous people will sign up on Yahoo?

...I just want to be sure of what I'm doing and expecting.
Thanks. --Phil R.