Venting Asch; social pressure

[From: Bruce Nevin (Mon 931122 13:25:57 EST)]

Tom Bourbon [931122.0838] --

Can you say anything specific about how the college-student
subjects in the study were like children in a family, and the stooges were
like older family members? In which ways did the task of reporting the
length of a line resemble the dynamics of family life, especially in light
of the brevity of encounters between subjects, exprimenters and stooges?

Tom, I was emphasizing the ways in which the relations between
participants in Asch's experiments were unlike those in a family. That
the characteristics of a double bind clearly were evident with 100% of
the subjects, despite the limitations of the experiment, is what is

Should I summarize stuff about the double bind and communication patterns
in families of people diagnosed as mentally ill?

Rick Marken (931122.0800) --

"Social pressure" is a bad metaphor. I don't use it. If you use it when
paraphrasing me, you are thereby setting up a straw man. Please don't.
It's a waste of time and energy and I have neither to waste.

What "goes up" for the subject, when you compare the anonymous Asch
experiment with a naturally occurring situation in which those from whom
the subject may dissent or not are familiar, is the number of controlled
perceptions being disturbed and the importance of the controlled
perceptions that are being disturbed (a function of gain, I assume).