visual encoding

[From Bruce Nevin (2000.02.25.0752 EST)]

Bill Powers (2000.02.25.1146 EST)--

You are talking about functions in the model (or in the brain).
Martin is talking about properties of the model (or of the brain) without
distinguishing whether or not for a given property of the model there is a
corresponding single function of the model.

As I read him, Martin is concerned with problems of scale: we model at most
a few tens of elementary systems in a control hierarchy. How well does this
scale to hundreds or thousands of control hierarchies? What kinds of mutual
influence might we expect?

I would expect that you would respond, let's get there and find out. And:
whatever we project from mathematical studies of aggregate properties of
control systems, don't be surprised about surprises when we do actually get
there.

Martin, if you could specify the goal of your interest in this--what
questions do you want answered, and how will you use the answers?--that
might be helpful in getting to a shared point of view.

        Bruce Nevin

[Martin Taylor 2000.02.26 18:40]

[From Bruce Nevin (2000.02.25.0752 EST)]

Martin, if you could specify the goal of your interest in this--what
questions do you want answered, and how will you use the answers?--that
might be helpful in getting to a shared point of view.

Well, this might be a bit premature, because it's very much a work in
progress, but you might get an idea of the direction of my thinking
from the Web site I am working on:
<http://www.mmtaylor.net/PCT/Mutuality/>. I wasn't going to talk
about these ideas on CSGnet, at least not for a while yet, because
they take too much development of the conceptual background, a luxury
that is seldom available over the e-mail list. However, you are
welcome to look at what little is there, and comment if you want.

Martin

please stop sending mail

It appears to me that Isaac is saying:

- His email address is no longer Cyvchoate@AOL.COM
- It is kurtzer@BRANDEIS.EDU
- That AOL account belongs to his former roommate.
- Possibly Isaac can no longer log in to account to unsubscribe it from CSG-L.

Gary Cziko, can you fix the problem?

        Bruce

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At 02:17 AM 01/20/2000 -0500, Marc Kurtzer wrote:

nice to hear from you but i don't know who you are. please remove me from
your list

At 05:38 PM 01/20/2000 -0400, kurtzer@BRANDEIS.EDU wrote:

i.kurtzer (990120.1800)

sorry, that was from my ex-roommate..we shared a computer..
hey, gary could you do as he requests..thanks..

i.

At 10:52 PM 02/28/2000 -0500, Marc Kurtzer wrote:

mark doesn't live here. Quit sending mail

At 08:43 PM 03/01/2000 -0500, Marc Kurtzer wrote:

please stop sending mail

You are speaking to people who have no ability to remove you from this
list. I take it that this is an old address that Marc Kurtzer used. To
unsubscribe to this list, you must sent the following message

unsubscribe CSGnet

to the address

listserv@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu

The listserver will then automatically remove you from the list.

Bill Powers

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At 08:43 PM 03/01/2000 EST, you wrote:

please stop sending mail

Marc: Good luck in getting that done. If/when you succeed, let me know how you did it. I have tried to "unsubscribe" with no success. Dan

PS My son is named Marc and has the same Mark problem.

Marc Kurtzer <Cyvchoate@AOL.COM> 03/01/00 08:43PM >>>

please stop sending mail

[From Bill Powers (2000.03.02.0538 MST)]

Somebody wrote

···

At 10:00 PM 03/01/2000 -0500, you wrote:

It appears to me that Isaac is saying:

- His email address is no longer Cyvchoate@AOL.COM
- It is kurtzer@BRANDEIS.EDU
- That AOL account belongs to his former roommate.
- Possibly Isaac can no longer log in to account to unsubscribe it from

CSG-L.

I think the protests are coming from the former roommate. I wrote back
describing how to unsubscribe.

Best,

Bill P.

[From Bill Powers (2000.03.02.0547 MST)]

Marc: Good luck in getting that done. If/when you succeed, let me know

how you did it. I have tried to "unsubscribe" with no success. Dan

PS My son is named Marc and has the same Mark problem.

You must unsubscribe from the same address from which you subscribed. And
the message

unsubscribe CSGnet

must be sent not to the list members, but to

listserv@postoffice.cso.uiuc.edu

Note the missing 'e' at the end of 'listserv'

If you're no longer at the original address, ask Rick Marken to unsubscribe
you:

rmarken@earthlink.net

Best,

Bill P.