# What's missing from autonomous vehicles

**URL:** <http://discourse.iapct.org/t/whats-missing-from-autonomous-vehicles/12367>\
**Category:** CSG2019\
**Created:** [April 5, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/whats-missing-from-autonomous-vehicles/12367 "2019-04-05T16:04:21Z")\
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**Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/whats-missing-from-autonomous-vehicles/12367/1 "2019-04-05T16:04:21Z")

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[Rick Marken 2019.04.05. 0900]

I got this from one of my high tech friends. Any idea what the problem might be from a PCT perspective?

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> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/04/researchers-trick-tesla-autopilot-into-steering-into-oncoming-traffic/](https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/04/researchers-trick-tesla-autopilot-into-steering-into-oncoming-traffic/)

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**Author:** ![bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/user_avatar/discourse.iapct.org/bnhpct/32/34_2.png) [@bnhpct](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/bnhpct)\
**Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/whats-missing-from-autonomous-vehicles/12367/2 "2019-04-05T21:46:54Z")

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"autopilot uses a function … to detect lanes and update an internal map "

Don’t really need to read much farther than that.

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**Author:** ![rsmarken](http://discourse.iapct.org/user_avatar/discourse.iapct.org/rsmarken/32/3553_2.png) [@rsmarken](http://discourse.iapct.org/u/rsmarken)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 4:27am UTC](http://discourse.iapct.org/t/whats-missing-from-autonomous-vehicles/12367/3 "2019-04-06T04:27:02Z")

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[Rick Marken 2019-04-05\_21:22:57]

> "autopilot uses a function … to detect lanes and update an internal map "

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> BN: Don’t really need to read much farther than that.

RM: I don’t think the building up of an internal map was a problem… What struck me about the article was that these "self driving"cars have very good “low level” control systems; indeed, the method of “fooling” the car was based on understanding that the car had a very good system for remaining in a lane using control of optical variables. What I think the problem was from a PCT perspective – the reason the car could be “fooled” into changing lanes into oncoming traffic – is that the car wasn’t controlling the higher level variables that a real driver is controlling when driving a car. I think these “higher level” variables are what are called “situational awareness” in aviation. They are the reason why a real person has to ultimately be in control even in highly automated systems. These are the perceptions – such as the perception of carrying out a program or following some principle – that are presently impossible for machines to have; but when they have them, that will be the game changer, for better or, more likely, worse.Â

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