Hi Alice et al
OK, I’ve already gotten “buy in” from several people, most of
whom are
already on CSGNet. So apparently there is some interest in the
class.
And there didn’t seem to be any protest about using CSGNet. So
here’s
what I propose for now. I will start working with David Goldstein on
a
syllabus and some materials for the class. I would like to shoot for
starting the class in the beginning of July. If you want to
“enroll”
in the class, just subscribe to CSGNet using the simple procedure I
described in my original post in this thread. Just sent an email
to
LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU
with the words
SUBSCRIBE CSGNET
in the body of the email.
Once you subscribe, you will start getting posts from the listserver
when people post things. If you are not interested in these posts
simply delete them. When the course starts you will receive posts
that
start with “B:CP Course” or “Re: B:CP Course”. These
will be the posts
relevant to the course. When the course starts you can either just
read those posts or comment on them using “Reply”, in which
case the
post will be distributed to everyone in the course with the
"Re:
BCP:Course" in the subject line.
So I envision the course being made up of a series “threads”
defined
by the subject line in the email, but all subject lines will start
with “B:CP Course” or “Re: B:CP Course”. For example,
the thread
titles would be something like:
B:CP Course: Preface
B:CP Course: Chapter 1, The Dilemmas of Behaviorism
B:CP: Course: Chapter 2, Models and Generalizations
.
.
B:CP: Course: Chapter 18, Conflict and Control
B:CP Course :Appendix : Control System Operation and Stability
The text for the course could be either the 1973 or (preferably) the
2005 edition of B:CP. If the chapter names are use the people using
the 1973 edition would have no problem following along, except they
would be missing the important Emotion chapter that was not included
in the 1973 edition.
One last thing. Warren Mansell asked whether, at the end of each
chapter’s discussion, a text version of the chapter be annotated
with
links and consensual comments to act as a more concise archive than
the discussion itself. I would be willing to consider this if we can
get an electronic version of the text and that’s something that
Alice
would have to have a say in. I think Alice would have to be willing
to
put a an electronic version of the text up on the net. If so, then
we’ll try to include this in the course.
So there is no need to contact me any more to tell me that you want
to
take the B:CP Course.
If you want to take the course, just SIGN UP FOR CSGNet and wait for
the posts headed “B:CP Course”, which should start coming in
July.
Best regards
Rick
David and Rick:
I’m in! (I’ll figure out how to change my e-address on the CSGlist
when I
get home.)
This is brilliant! Of all the ideas I’ve thought and heard about the
future
of PDT and CSG this is a simple “elegant” immediate
beginning. I’m guessing
it will appeal to the researchers and educators on this
distinguished list.
Thank you both for a real step forward.
Alice
Alice Powers McElhone
73 Essex Avenue #6
Bloomfield, NJ 07003
apmce@benchpress.com.
From: Richard Marken rsmarken@gmail.com
To: Alison Powers
controlsystemsgroupconference@gmail.com
Cc: Alice McElhone apmcelhone@aol.com;
bbabbott@frontier.com
bbabbott@frontier.com; Dag Forssell
dag@livingcontrolsystems.com; Warren
Mansell wmansell@gmail.com; Sara Tai
sara.tai@manchester.ac.uk;
Tim.Carey@flinders.edu.au Tim.Carey@flinders.edu.au;
mmt@mmtaylor.net
mmt@mmtaylor.net; Henry Yin hy43@duke.edu; Bill
Powers
powers_w@frontier.net; Bruce Nevin
bruce.nevin@gmail.com;
rjrobertson2@comcast.net rjrobertson2@comcast.net;
328babs .
bara0361@gmail.com; Denny Powers
denny68flh@gmail.com; McClelland, Kent
MCCLEL@grinnell.edu; Hugh Petrie
hgpetrie@acsu.buffalo.edu; Gary Cziko
gcziko@gmail.com; Control Systems Group Network
(CSGnet)
CSGNET@listserv.illinois.edu; Mike Mermel
mmermel@mikemermel.com; Autumn
Winter 1@aut.me; Richard Pfau
richardpfau4153@aol.com; isabel.adeyemi
isabel.adeyemi@manchester.ac.uk; sarah_alsawy
sarah_alsawy@live.co.uk;
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Sent: Sun, Jun 9, 2013 3:35 pm
Subject: Where we go from here with PCT
Dear all
I am sending this to Bill Powers family, CSGList as well as
everyone
else who I could think of who might have an interest in the future
of
PCT (this includes the many people listed on the public list of
PCT
researchers, students and practitioners at the PCTWeb.org site).
As
you know, Bill Powers passed away on May 24th. This was a great
personal loss to many of us who knew Bill as a father, brother
or
friend. But it was also a great intellectual loss to those of
us
involved in research and/or application based on PCT. Bill was
not
only the developer of PCT but he also had a unique ability to
teach
his theory to others. Now those of us who recognize the
importance of
PCT and are excited about its future must carry on without
Bill’s
gentle but steady hand on the tiller, ready to right us when we
go
wrong (as he righted me when I so often went wrong).
So I am writing to those of you who have an interest in the future
of
PCT to suggest how we might best proceed. I already have one
suggestion from David Goldstein, which I think is a very good
one.
That is, that we conduct something like an on-line course where we
go
through Behavior: The Control of Perception, chapter by chapter
and
discuss each chapter in terms of the main points Bill was trying
to
make, research, old and new, that is relevant to those points and
what
kinds of research is suggested by the points made in the
chapter.
David and I would be the “guides” in this course but there
will be no
“teacher”; all participants would be bother teachers and
students.
In order to make such a course work I think all those who would
like
to participate should be able to go to one place to have the
discussion. I think the best place to to this would be CSGNet. So
I
suggest that if you want to participate in the course (or just
listen
in) you should join the CSGNet listserve by sending an email
to:
LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU
with just the following text in the email:
SUBSCRIBE CSGNET
The course could then just be a “thread” in the CSG
discussion.
If anyone has a better idea about how to get everyone together
for
such a course (and I’m sure there are better ideas; I’m pretty
old
fashioned when it comes to the internet) please feel free to let
me
know.
What I like about David’s idea for a course on B:CP is that it
honors
Bill’s most important legacy (the whole edifice of ideas that
are
PCT). I also like it because it gets all of us who are working on
PCT
together so that we can keep each other “honest” as we go
about our
business of extending that legacy (Bill was very big on
subjecting
one’s own ideas to critical – and, of course, empirical–
test;
especially the ideas that you are most in love with).
So that’s my proposal for the near future, anyway. I hope many
of you
will get involved in this “course”. The future of PCT
depends on us
(and especially you younger folks).
Best regards
Rick
Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
www.mindreadings.com
–
Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
www.mindreadings.com
Post from Bruce Nevin in reply to Rick: