Wiki back up

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Hello, all --

You probably all got this message, but our old CSG wiki is back in operation, and the link from the CSG web page works again.

Bill P.

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[Martin Taylor 2006.06.12.16.41]

Hello, all --

You probably all got this message, but our old CSG wiki is back in operation, and the link from the CSG web page works again.

I went there, and admittedly I didn't firkle around, but I couldn't see any internal links on the Wiki page. And the Bluwiki Main Page reads as though users have access to only one Wiki page.

When I saw the phrase "CSG Wiki" I assumed that it was a Wiki full of stuff about PCT, but this page is only about the China meeting. And this leads me to ask whether we shouldn't in fact have a CSG Wiki. It's inappropriate for Wikipedia, which deals in generally accepted science, not with experimental or theoretical research. Now I know that the main CSG site has a lot of material and links about PCT, but a Wiki has a rather different function, intermediate between that kind of archive and the e-mail list. It's a suitable place to describe theory and practice in a way that is readily updated.

Do you think we should operate such a Wiki? I've set up more than one Wiki for similar specialized groups, and I could do it again if it seems a useful thing to do.

Martin

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[From Rick Marken (2006.06.12.1530)]

Martin Taylor (2006.06.12.16.41) --

Hello, all --

You probably all got this message, but our old CSG wiki is back in operation, and the link from the CSG web page works again.

I went there, and admittedly I didn't firkle around,

Firkle? Is that something you Canadians do, like providing adequate healthcare to your citizens and catching terrorist plots before they are hatched?

Best regards

Rick

Richard S. Marken Consulting
marken@mindreadings.com
Home 310 474-0313
Cell 310 729-1400

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[from Gary Cziko 2006.06.13 02:50 GMT]

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On 6/12/06, Martin Taylor mmt-csg@rogers.com wrote:

[Martin Taylor 2006.06.12.16.41]

Hello, all –

You probably all got this message, but our old CSG wiki is back in
operation, and the link from the CSG web page works again.

I went there, and admittedly I didn’t firkle around, but I couldn’t

see any internal links on the Wiki page. And the Bluwiki Main Page
reads as though users have access to only one Wiki page.

When I saw the phrase “CSG Wiki” I assumed that it was a Wiki full of

stuff about PCT, but this page is only about the China meeting. And
this leads me to ask whether we shouldn’t in fact have a CSG Wiki.
It’s inappropriate for Wikipedia, which deals in generally accepted
science, not with experimental or theoretical research. Now I know

that the main CSG site has a lot of material and links about PCT, but
a Wiki has a rather different function, intermediate between that
kind of archive and the e-mail list. It’s a suitable place to
describe theory and practice in a way that is readily updated.

Martin:

We do have a Wikipedia article on PCT at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptual_control_theory. I don’t see why it doesn’t deserve a Wikipedia article, the same as the other theories of psychology and behavior on the Wikipedia.

–Gary

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Re: Wiki back up
[Martin Taylor 2006.06.12.23.47]

[from Gary Cziko 2006.06.13 02:50
GMT]

[Martin Taylor 2006.06.12.16.41]

Hello, all –

You probably all got this message, but our old CSG wiki is back
in

operation, and the link from the CSG web page works again.

I went there, and admittedly I didn’t firkle around, but I
couldn’t

see any internal links on the Wiki page. And the Bluwiki Main Page

reads as though users have access to only one Wiki page.

When I saw the phrase “CSG Wiki” I assumed that it was a
Wiki full of

stuff about PCT, but this page is only about the China meeting.
And

this leads me to ask whether we shouldn’t in fact have a CSG Wiki.

It’s inappropriate for Wikipedia, which deals in generally
accepted

science, not with experimental or theoretical research. Now I know

that the main CSG site has a lot of material and links about PCT,
but

a Wiki has a rather different function, intermediate between that

kind of archive and the e-mail list. It’s a suitable place to

describe theory and practice in a way that is readily updated.

Martin:
We do have a Wikipedia article on PCT at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptual_control_theory. I don’t
see why it doesn’t deserve a Wikipedia article, the same as the other
theories of psychology and behavior on the Wikipedia.

You misunderstand. I’m talking about a whole lot of pages dealing
with topics under research, experimental results, conceptual issues,
open questions, and all that constitutes a research program. I know
what is (or rather was a little while ago) on Wikipedia about PCT, and
that’s all to the good. But the kind of thing I was suggesting isn’t
what Wikipedia is intended for.

Martin

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On 6/12/06, Martin Taylor mmt-csg@rogers.com wrote:

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[from Gary Cziko 2006.06.13 13:09 GMT]

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On 6/12/06, Martin Taylor mmt-csg@rogers.com wrote:

[Martin Taylor 2006.06.12.23.47]

You misunderstand. I’m talking about a whole lot of pages dealing
with topics under research, experimental results, conceptual issues,
open questions, and all that constitutes a research program. I know
what is (or rather was a little while ago) on Wikipedia about PCT, and
that’s all to the good. But the kind of thing I was suggesting isn’t
what Wikipedia is intended for.

Martin

Right, I misunderstood. And I agree with you.

So we now have the beginning of a wiki of the type you suggested at http://www.bluwiki.org/go/Perceptual_control_theory
 (stealing from your lines above to get it going).

–Gary

P.S. The Bluwiki site has definitley given us some grief over the last few weeks when it went down. But I think the site’s organizer, Sam Odio, was finally able to restore the site, has learned form this experience and has implemented important new safeguards to prevent this from happening again. I like BluWiki because it uses Wikimedia software, the same wiki software used by the Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects.

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[From Bryan Thalhammer (2006.06.13.0900 CDT)]

Well, I kinda think that a Wiki article can provide a general and established description of a proposed explanation of behavior and the experimental basis for that explanation. I think that is OK on the Wiki.

The wiki article should provide the terminology, background, and history of the program so that a reader has the basis for choosing to view the external links and understanding them. It would seem to me that, in addition to the external link to the CSG main site, other external links on the wiki could be the more in-depth things Martin is suggesting. However putting those things in a wiki article would be inappropriate.

Finally, I would emphasize that the wiki articles on PCT and the rest should be as factual as possible, rather than promotional.

--Bry

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[Martin Taylor 2006.06.12.23.47]

[Gary Cziko 2006.06.13 02:50 GMT]
    [Martin Taylor 2006.06.12.16.41]

    >Hello, all --
    >
    >You probably all got this message, but our old CSG wiki is back in
    >operation, and the link from the CSG web page works again.

    I went there, and admittedly I didn't firkle around, but I couldn't
    see any internal links on the Wiki page. And the Bluwiki Main Page
    reads as though users have access to only one Wiki page.

    When I saw the phrase "CSG Wiki" I assumed that it was a Wiki full of
    stuff about PCT, but this page is only about the China meeting. And
    this leads me to ask whether we shouldn't in fact have a CSG Wiki.
    It's inappropriate for Wikipedia, which deals in generally accepted
    science, not with experimental or theoretical research. Now I know
    that the main CSG site has a lot of material and links about PCT, but
    a Wiki has a rather different function, intermediate between that
    kind of archive and the e-mail list. It's a suitable place to
    describe theory and practice in a way that is readily updated.

Martin:
We do have a Wikipedia article on PCT at Perceptual control theory - Wikipedia. I don't see why it doesn't deserve a Wikipedia article, the same as the other theories of psychology and behavior on the Wikipedia.

You misunderstand. I'm talking about a whole lot of pages dealing with topics under research, experimental results, conceptual issues, open questions, and all that constitutes a research program. I know what is (or rather was a little while ago) on Wikipedia about PCT, and that's all to the good. But the kind of thing I was suggesting isn't what Wikipedia is intended for.

Martin

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[Martin Taylor 2006.06.13.09.50]

[from Gary Cziko 2006.06.13 13:09 GMT]

I like BluWiki because it uses Wikimedia software, the same wiki software used by the Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects.

Yes, my Wikis use Wikimedia. It's very nice. Do you control Bluwiki, in the sense that you can alter the navigation sidebars, install extensions, Special Pages and Namespaces of your own, and can you legitimize the uploading of documents like Word files and PowerPoints?

I've just done a little trial, adding a page for "PCT Resources" with a link back to the main CSG site. So we aren't limited to a single page, as the BluWiki main page seemed to suggest.

Martin