A Note to Bill Williams

From [Marc Abrams (2004.04.18.2122)]

Bill, we have had our differences but, .

Bill, you say;

"I think irenic solutions = are to be preferred. I could have easily
been defeated if people who = opposed me on the CSGnet applied control
theory with some consistency-- = but these people haven't yet exhibited
a consistent capacity to do so.="

Bill, I applaud your work with the great thinkers of the enlightenment,
but I think you are making a very big mistake here.

You don't _apply_ control theory. What you see is what you get. This
_IS_ control theory in action. Now, you need to come up with a model
that explains why this happens _WITHIN_ the confines and context of
control. You don't have a choice as to when and how you apply control
theory. _IF_ the theory is valid, and I believe it is, than it _must_
explain _ALL_ behavior. _Including_, you, me, Bryan, Bill, Rick, and
Michelle.

_ONE_ theory does this and it's a controlled based theory of Human
behavior , but it's _not_ PCT as it is currently hierarchically
constructed or modeled, but it's close.

But, then again, what the hell do I know, I curse too much to know
anything anyway. :slight_smile:

Have fun.

Marc

Considering how often throughout history even intelligent people have
been proved to be wrong, it is amazing that there are still people who
are convinced that the only reason anyone could possibly say something
different from what they believe is stupidity or dishonesty.

Being smart is what keeps some people from being intelligent.

Thomas Sowell

From[Bill Williams 18 March 2004 9:00 PM CST]

From [Marc Abrams (2004.04.18.2122)]

Bill, we have had our differences but, .

That we have.

Bill, you say;

"I think irenic solutions = are to be preferred. I could have easily
been defeated if people who = opposed me on the CSGnet applied control
theory with some consistency-- = but these people haven't yet exhibited
a consistent capacity to do so.="

That's what I said early on. I still think that it is true.

Bill, I applaud your work with the great thinkers of the enlightenment,
but I think you are making a very big mistake here.

Wouldn't be the first time.

You don't _apply_ control theory. What you see is what you get. This
_IS_ control theory in action. Now, you need to come up with a model
that explains why this happens _WITHIN_ the confines and context of
control. You don't have a choice as to when and how you apply control
theory. _IF_ the theory is valid, and I believe it is, than it _must_
explain _ALL_ behavior. _Including_, you, me, Bryan, Bill, Rick, and
Michelle.

And, I thought I was applying control theory. Actually, I still think that
what I have been doing is applied control theory. But, I owe quite a bit to
Bruce Nevin and his explaination of how equvocation works. We really are
creatures who are easy to mislead by a skillful use of words. And, I owe
you for your demonstration of how very effective the "magic" words really
are. Maybe sometime we can share a pig.

Bill Williiams