From[Bill Williams 22 April 2004 5:40 PM CST]
[From Rick Marken (2004.04.22.0920)]
I will be coming to the CSG meeting and I have re-subscribed to CSGNet
Readers of the CSGnet may remember I said when Rick announced his departure
that,
From[Bill Williams 18 March 2004 2:00 AM CST]
Before celebrating Rick's departure, I think it would be a good idea to
remember that Rick has threaten to leave before. So, it would be prudent not
to place too much confidence in what Rick says. If I may modify Marken's
principle that you can't tell what someone is doing by watching what they
are doing, to a version that fits the current situation-- you can't tell
what Marken is going to do by listening to what he says he is going to do.
Still I an severely disappointed.
However in compensation, Rick attaches a message from Bill Powers doing some
maintaince on Rick's attitude.
Bill Powers says,
> >
> Well, it's understandable, but it's a pity to give Bill Williams what
> he seems to want (though I doubt whether he could face knowing what he
> really wants).
I think I could face having your dad and the crack-pot economics going away.
I think
that I could knowingly face up that.
And, with my dog Snips I can face up to almost anything-- even Bill Powers
threatening
to bite me doesn't scare me. Not when I have my dog Snips by my side.
Bill Powers
know anything about how to bite. But, Snips really does know how to bite.
So, Bill Powers is welcome to come-- for dinner.
From Bruce Nevin's replies and skimming Bill's posts I
> gather than Bill has constructed a gigantic rationalization for his
> self-indulgent rantings --
Yes, I know, if you can't say when you can find anything good to say
about Bill Powers' dad, you really do have to construct a "gagantic
rationalization" if only in support of an argument that last time anyone
looked out the door, before it got slammed, there was a reality out there.
he's just trying to show us something about
> control systems, if we would only grasp his message.
Well, if I cann't teach you anything about the economy, maybe I could show
people a thing or two about counter control. But, we missed the chance for
a really good demo when Bill Powers saved Rick's ass from that mean
spirited bitch.
Bill has this a bit confused, That is about losing one's grasp, it is the
world
that has trouble grasping Bill Powers' dad's message, you know the one
about all the money leaking off to somewhere. Maybe professor Bruun can
explain it to Bill. Or, maybe Bill can explain to professor Bruun it to
professor
Bruun.
In this way he
> can indulge in the worst of his apparently limitless capacity for
> nastiness
The very worst thing most nasty thing of all that I can do is to laugh.
Bill Powers' idea of a good time is to, without a shred of evidence, argue
that everyone who is a credentialized expert in economics is either too
stupid to figure out what is going on, or has prostituted them themselves
to the business interests. Then after making this insane claim, he likes to
assume an air of innocences and say, "Who me? And then when a pail of
shit (thank you Marc) hits him square in the face, he sputters, stuff about
dog poop.
while telling himself that it's all in the interest of
> furthering our understanding, and implying if not claiming outright
> that nobody around here understands PCT as well as he does (no wonder
> he has problems with Marc Abrams).
Do I have problems with Marc? This is news to me. Has Marc ever sent me
a 3 gazilon byte file and blown my system to bits? Not so far. I wouldn't
say
that I have a problem with Marc. After all Marc is the guy who taught me
how to
talk thrash. How could I have a problem with a guy like that?
This might be slightly plausible if
> only he could keep his glee and his self-congratulation from showing.
Nothing warms Bill Powers' heart, or something or other, more than knowing
that I
am having a good time.
>
> What Williams doesn't seem to realize is that while words can't hurt
> anyone, the apparent intent behind them certainly can if the recipient
> had been hoping for a friendly or fruitful relationship.
You can tell when Bill Powers is in a friendly mood-- he calls you
"garbage."
Or, even better "dog poop." Bill Powers wasn't looking for a friend. What
he
wanted was more Ricks. People who didn't have a clue, but could say, "Great
post Bill !" and do it over and over for years on end.
Williams' irrational hostility
Bill Powers has this idea that it is "irrational hostility" for anyone to
take offence
at being called "garbage." After all Why would anyone take offence at
being called
"garbage."
has resulted in changes in my initial perceptions
> of him as an intelligent and creative person into something so
> different that I feel I have lost a friend
Too bad I never could see what Bill Powers saw in his dad's _leakages_,
this is the
most important thing in the world for Bill. More important that all his
work on
control theory and anything else. Briliant stuff. Too bad the economists
have ignored
it.
And, Bill goes on to say of me that, I am something that he might have
>> found something loathsome under a rock.
Sort of like the way I feel about Bill Powers when he says that he will bite
me.
Bill goes on to say,
The way to stop being hurt by that sort of
> loss is simply to give up the hope for friendship or mutual
> accomplishment,
Yes, I don't think that there is much chance that I will find anything more
favorable
to say about Bill's dad's leakages stuff than silence. I managed to
maintain
silence for more than decade, but that wasn't enough for Bill Powers.
which removes the error and the hurt, along with any
> desire for that person's company.
Bill Powers' is an OK guy. But, watch out for Bill Powers' dad. And, when
Bill
Powers and his dad get in a fight, pretty soon there is an expectation that
everyone should join in.
So his words can no longer lead to
> either hurt or pleasure. They are just what he says, and reveal
> whatever they reveal about him (what one considers funny is probably
> the most revealing of all).
I consider self pity rather funny.
And, I really do consider my fable "Running Naked in the Forest" funny.
And, I thought Rick's idea that pedohiles would make good police officer
to be hillarious. Once it gets into your mind, it is hard to chase it out.
And, Rick's calling Michelle an "ignorant slut." well, I didn't think that
was so
funny, but it was definately a bit strange. Like taking aim and shooting
yourself
in the foot.
Take what he says at face value,
I hear this echo. It is saying something like "schocking stupidity." Yes,
that is it,
"schocking stupidity." Now, why would I be hearing something like that?
That is the real Bill Williams, even if he imagines something noble
going on
> in the secret recesses of his mind (shudder).
>
I keep hearing this echo and it is growing louder. Its about this great
adventure,
we are gong to Mars, some of us at least, and it won't cost a thing.
> I hope we can stop talking about this guy and those like him pretty
> soon. There are lots of other things to talk about. I don't want to be
> driven off by him and forced out of contact with all the people I get
> along with just fine.
Especially the guy who's learned to yap, "Great post Bill."
What I'm trying out right now is simply acting
> as my own monitor;
This is a novel insight, Bill Powers is going to attempt to control what he
posts.
But, watch out, these resolutions have a half-life that is shorter than
Rick's
promises to go away and never come back. And, for confirmation of this, see
the very next sentence, in which
Bill Powers says,
if I see posts that are in the same vein as usual I
> just go tsk tsk and deal with them as with any sort of dog poop (even
> noble dog poop). That's the plan; let's see how it works.
Bill Powers is not very self reflective But then people as old as Bill
Powers
get into ghost dances with their dads are rarely self-reflective people.
And, maybe it is a generational thing, but the people I know call it dog
shit.
>
> By the way, all this reminds me of my Don Quixote childhood. I
> couldn't stand seeing people bullied even in first grade, and thought
> others couldn't stand it either. So I kept jumping on the bully's back
> while he was at work and yelling "Come on, grab him," and discovering
> that I was just putting on an interesting spectacle. Ouch. But one
> doesn't learn some things for the simple reason that one doesn't want
> them to be true.
>
Bill Powers really ought to try his hand at writing fables, he obviously has
the
knack for it.
Maybe he could finish the fable his dad started and tell us where all the
money
needed up after it leaked out of the economy. And, then Bill Powers would
have
achieved his dream by putting one over on dear ole dad, and solving the
ultimate
economic mystery-- and I could write another fable, and this time I would
call it
"Running Naked on Wallstreet." It might be a great success.
)