[Bruce Nevin (2015.11.12.17:32 ET)]
Yes. You cannot separate actions from their purposes, you cannot sensibly talk about behavior without talking about control, even if you want to limit your talk to just what is observable you have to include the effects of the actions on perceptual inputs in combination with other effects on those perceptual inputs, and how the one purposefully opposes or augments the others. Behavior is the entire control loop.
On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Tracy Harms email@example.com wrote:
[Tracy Harms (2015.11.12.16:00 EST)]
Recent elaboration by Fred Nickols (2015.11.12.1532) leaves me with
the sense that we are in rich, even full, agreement.
On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Fred Nickols firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
[From Fred Nickols (2015.11.12.1532)]
Drat!Â I forgot to date-time this.Â Here it is again.Â My apologies.
I think I get it.Â I just thought out loud on paper so to speak.Â Hereâ€™s the
path I followed.
When we say â€œBehavior is the control of perceptionâ€? different meanings can
attach to that statement.
The statement could be taken to mean that someone who is behaving is
controlling one or more perceptions.Â I think thatâ€™s accurate and I donâ€™t
have any problem with it.
Similarly, the statement could be taken to mean that behavior controls
perception.Â This is the equivalent of saying that behavior serves to
control perception or that behavior is the means by which perceptions are
controlled.Â I think all of these are accurate and I donâ€™t have any problem
with any of them.
And, the statement could be taken to mean that the term â€œbehaviorâ€? refers to
the entire negative-feedback, control loop that undergirds PCT.Â I struggle
As Iâ€™ve thought and believed for years, one use of the term â€œbehaviorâ€?
refers to the activity of an organism, most often to its observable actions
but not limited to those.Â It is my view that the actions of an organism are
the means by which it controls its perceptions.Â I see no conflict between
this view of behavior and the earlier statements, except for the one that
equates behavior with the control loop that enables the control of
perception.Â The loop includes behavior and it includes a lot more (e.g.,
reference signals and perceptual signals to name just two additional
So, for me, behavior is part of the loop and the entire loop is required in
order for behavior to control perception, but thereâ€™s more to the loop than
I can describe the loopâ€™s functioning in action terms as follows:
1.Â Â Â Â perceiving existing conditions,
2.Â Â Â Â formulating desired conditions,
3.Â Â Â Â comparing perceived conditions with desired conditions and, when
perceived and desired conditions are not a match,
4.Â Â Â Â acting to align perceived conditions with desired conditions.
That list clearly indicates behavior permeates the entire loop and,
conversely, that the entire loop is involved in behavior.
What just dawned on me is that my notion of â€œthe activity of the organismâ€?
includes all the items listed immediately above.Â The activity of the
organism permeates the entire loop and is not limited to the output
quantity.Â The activity of the organism controls perception.Â The activity
of the organism is the control of perception.Â The activity of the organism
Behavior IS the control of perception.