BGCT

[From Bruce Gregory (2003.12.22.1421)]

While Marc is hard at work on MACT I thought I would introduce my own
ideas for a heterodox version of control theory (BGCT).

Let me start by quoting Bill's recent post:

"Remember that in PCT all action is driven by error signals. No
exceptions.
The amount of action indicates the size of the error signal, with the
most
energetic actions being the result of the largest error signals."

When I apply this theory to my bicycle riding (I try to get in an hour
every day) I arrive at the conclusion that I must be constantly
experiencing error while I ride and the faster I pedal, the larger the
error I must be experiencing.

In BGCT there is no direct coupling between action and error signals. I
pedal faster because I set the reference level for pedaling higher. I
normally experience very little error, no matter how fast I am
pedaling. This helps explain why I enjoy cycling rather than making
great efforts to avoid doing it. because of the constant error I
experience.

I anxiously await your slings and arrows!

Bruce Gregory

"Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no
one was listening, everything must be said again."

                                                                                Andre Gide

[From Bruce Nevin 2003.12.22 14:47 EST]

Bruce Gregory (2003.12.22.1421)--

Let me start by quoting Bill's recent post:

"Remember that in PCT all action is driven by error signals. No
exceptions. The amount of action indicates the size of the error
signal, with the most energetic actions being the result of the
largest error signals."

When I apply this theory to my bicycle riding (I try to get in an hour
every day) I arrive at the conclusion that I must be constantly
experiencing error while I ride and the faster I pedal, the larger the
error I must be experiencing.

In BGCT there is no direct coupling between action and error signals. I
pedal faster because I set the reference level for pedaling higher.

What system sets the reference level for rate of pedalling to a higher value? Is there no error behind that change of value? What happens to the system controlling rate of pedaling when "I" set its reference level higher? Is there no error when the reference rate is 10 and the perceived rate is 5? What do you call the difference between a reference rate of 10 and a perceived rate of 5, if not the error output of the comparator for rate of pedaling?

I normally experience very little error, no matter how fast I am
pedaling.

It seems that perhaps Bill's locution "the amount of action" is imprecise. Would it further the discussion if you were to criticize this imprecision and suggest an alternative, perhaps having to do with effort?

         /Bruce Nevin

···

At 02:22 PM 12/22/2003 -0500, Bruce Gregory wrote:

[From Bruce Gregory (2003.12.22.1421)]

While Marc is hard at work on MACT I thought I would introduce my own
ideas for a heterodox version of control theory (BGCT).

Let me start by quoting Bill's recent post:

"Remember that in PCT all action is driven by error signals. No
exceptions.
The amount of action indicates the size of the error signal, with the
most
energetic actions being the result of the largest error signals."

When I apply this theory to my bicycle riding (I try to get in an hour
every day) I arrive at the conclusion that I must be constantly
experiencing error while I ride and the faster I pedal, the larger the
error I must be experiencing.

In BGCT there is no direct coupling between action and error signals. I
pedal faster because I set the reference level for pedaling higher. I
normally experience very little error, no matter how fast I am
pedaling. This helps explain why I enjoy cycling rather than making
great efforts to avoid doing it. because of the constant error I
experience.

I anxiously await your slings and arrows!

I'm wondering what you think an error signal is???

In orthodox PCT or HPCT, error is the difference between a reference
value and its corresponding perceptual value. If you say that in
cycling you normally set the reference level for speed higher, that
means (in orthodox PCT) that if you did not pedal faster, you would
experience bigger error, so you have to pedal faster to keep the
error small. If you didn't pedal at all, you would have a huge error,
and so you need "energetic action" to reduce it to a minimal level.
That seems straightforwardly to illustrate what Bill says, as well as
what you say you experience.

I'm puzzled. How does BGCT handle this--or rather, how does it handle
the situation differently?

Martin

[From Bruce Gregory (2003.12.22.1501)]

Bruce Nevin 2003.12.22 14:47

What system sets the reference level for rate of pedalling to a higher
value?

The aerobic exercise system. It determines that I should ride my bike
whenever I can.

Is there no error behind that change of value?

It would experience error were I _not_ to ride my bicycle.

What happens to the
system controlling rate of pedaling when "I" set its reference level
higher?

It pedals faster. Otherwise it would experience error.

Is there no error when the reference rate is 10 and the perceived
rate is 5?

Yes. But it does not lead to a violent effort to pedal faster, simply
to a gradual increase in pedaling rate.

What do you call the difference between a reference rate of 10
and a perceived rate of 5, if not the error output of the comparator
for
rate of pedaling?

It doesn't jump from 5 to 10, it slowly moves from 5 to 10 and the
pedaling rate follows it with a minimum of error.

I normally experience very little error, no matter how fast I am
pedaling.

It seems that perhaps Bill's locution "the amount of action" is
imprecise.
Would it further the discussion if you were to criticize this
imprecision
and suggest an alternative, perhaps having to do with effort?

I have no reason to believe that Bill was imprecise. We was quite
emphatic and I assume he meant what he said. Do you have reason to
believe otherwise?

Bruce Gregory

"Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no
one was listening, everything must be said again."

                                                                                Andre Gide

[From Bruce Gregory 92003.12.22.1508)]

[From Bruce Gregory (2003.12.22.1421)]

In orthodox PCT or HPCT, error is the difference between a reference
value and its corresponding perceptual value.

This is also true in BGCT.

If you say that in
cycling you normally set the reference level for speed higher, that
means (in orthodox PCT) that if you did not pedal faster, you would
experience bigger error, so you have to pedal faster to keep the
error small.

Quite so.

If you didn't pedal at all, you would have a huge error,

Yes.

and so you need "energetic action" to reduce it to a minimal level.

Really? I thought I would just stop pedaling. Does this count as
"energetic action" in your view?

That seems straightforwardly to illustrate what Bill says, as well as
what you say you experience.

I'm puzzled. How does BGCT handle this--or rather, how does it handle
the situation differently?

You and I seem to be in agreement except that I do not see the
cessation of pedaling as an "energetic action." Perhaps the problem is
that I don't understand what an energetic action is. To me, pedaling
fast is an energetic action. Apparently this is not true for you and
Bill. So I'm puzzled, too.

Bruce Gregory

"Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no
one was listening, everything must be said again."

                                                                                Andre Gide

···

On Dec 22, 2003, at 2:48 PM, Martin Taylor wrote:

from [Marc Abrams (2003.12.22.1447)]

[From Bruce Gregory (2003.12.22.1421)]

You are absolutely precious. MACT? I don't think so. Unless Bill set me up
_big time_ (which I don't think) than I think that I am, and have been
working on two aspects of HPCT that have not been fully extended. Memory and
Emotion. The split hierarchy, which I like, and would like to explore more
was, and is, Bill's idea. So please tell me where a MACT enters into the
picture here?

Let me start by quoting Bill's recent post:

"Remember that in PCT all action is driven by error signals. No
exceptions.
The amount of action indicates the size of the error signal, with the
most
energetic actions being the result of the largest error signals."

When I apply this theory to my bicycle riding (I try to get in an hour
every day) I arrive at the conclusion that I must be constantly
experiencing error while I ride and the faster I pedal, the larger the
error I must be experiencing.

In BGCT there is no direct coupling between action and error signals. I
pedal faster because I set the reference level for pedaling higher. I
normally experience very little error, no matter how fast I am
pedaling. This helps explain why I enjoy cycling rather than making
great efforts to avoid doing it. because of the constant error I
experience.

Pedaling slower or faster is only _one_ of the variables you are controlling
for. Keeping and adjusting for balance _while_ you pedal slower or faster
is another. You would realize this the moment you hit an unexpected pothole.
Your 'speed' would become totally irrelevant.

You and I have had this discussion many times in the past taking on many
guises and it all boils down to the same set of questions. A 'goal' you have
has _many_ perceptions that need to be controlled. In your example you will
pedal faster or slower until, or if, you encounter an error (pothole) that
disturbs your effort. You don't realize it because it's all so automatic
now, but you are _continuously_ adjusting your balance as you ride, so in
effect you are experiencing 'constant' error, even though you are not aware
of it. There are many things you are controlling for when you ride, but as
Bill has said, when you experience error in _any_ of the variables, that
variable will step to the head of the line, with the largest error getting
the most action. That doesn't mean you are not correcting for other
variables as well, or fully controlling for others too. We are capable of,
and do deal with many control processes at the same time.

At least this is my take. Btw, what type of slings and arrows were you
anticipating?

Marc

[From Bruce Gregory (2003.12.22.1537)]

Marc Abrams (2003.12.22.1447)

[From Bruce Gregory (2003.12.22.1421)]

You are absolutely precious. MACT? I don't think so. Unless Bill set
me up
_big time_ (which I don't think) than I think that I am, and have been
working on two aspects of HPCT that have not been fully extended.
Memory and
Emotion. The split hierarchy, which I like, and would like to explore
more
was, and is, Bill's idea. So please tell me where a MACT enters into
the
picture here?

Apparently you are not as fool hearty as I am.

Pedaling slower or faster is only _one_ of the variables you are
controlling
for. Keeping and adjusting for balance _while_ you pedal slower or
faster
is another. You would realize this the moment you hit an unexpected
pothole.
Your 'speed' would become totally irrelevant.

You and I have had this discussion many times in the past taking on
many
guises and it all boils down to the same set of questions. A 'goal'
you have
has _many_ perceptions that need to be controlled. In your example you
will
pedal faster or slower until, or if, you encounter an error (pothole)
that
disturbs your effort. You don't realize it because it's all so
automatic
now, but you are _continuously_ adjusting your balance as you ride, so
in
effect you are experiencing 'constant' error, even though you are not
aware
of it. There are many things you are controlling for when you ride,
but as
Bill has said, when you experience error in _any_ of the variables,
that
variable will step to the head of the line, with the largest error
getting
the most action.

What line? I'm sure you meant to say with the largest error generating
the most action.

That doesn't mean you are not correcting for other
variables as well, or fully controlling for others too. We are capable
of,
and do deal with many control processes at the same time.

I don't take exception with what you say, but it seems not to be
relevant to my major claim to fame, namely that the speed at which I
pedal is not related to any error in the system.

At least this is my take. Btw, what type of slings and arrows were you
anticipating?

You don't propose a new control theory without expecting to draw fire.

Bruce Gregory

"Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no
one was listening, everything must be said again."

                                                                                Andre Gide

[From Bill Powers (2003.12.22.1311 MST)]

Bruce Gregory (2003.12.22.1421) --

Let me start by quoting Bill's recent post:

"Remember that in PCT all action is driven by error signals. No
exceptions.
The amount of action indicates the size of the error signal, with the
most
energetic actions being the result of the largest error signals."

When I apply this theory to my bicycle riding (I try to get in an hour
every day) I arrive at the conclusion that I must be constantly
experiencing error while I ride and the faster I pedal, the larger the
error I must be experiencing.

Yes, this is correct. I might guess that the controlled variable is your
speed, in this case. If you set the reference speed low, only a small error
is required to produce a leisurely pedaling action. As you raise the
reference level, the pedaling action increases and the speed increases, but
for this to happen, the error must also increase. Thus the perceived speed
doesn't increase quite as fast as the reference signal does.

Suppose that when you intend to ride at 10 mph, the error is 0.1 mph so you
actually ride at 9.9 mph. The output gain appears to be 9.9 mph/0.1 mph or
99 mph per unit error. Assuming a linear system, what will the error be
when you want to be riding at 20 mph? How fast will you actually be riding?

In BGCT there is no direct coupling between action and error signals. I
pedal faster because I set the reference level for pedaling higher. I
normally experience very little error, no matter how fast I am
pedaling. This helps explain why I enjoy cycling rather than making
great efforts to avoid doing it. because of the constant error I
experience.

I anxiously await your slings and arrows!

No slings and arrows. I agree that you may normally experience very little
speed error when pedaling. When you double your speed, you still experience
very little speed error, because although the error is twice as large,
twice as much as very little is still very little.

My theory requires that physiological preparedness for action is generated
as a result of outputs to lower-level systems. A very small error, in a
system with high output gain, can produce a very large output. Under the
conditions of our example, an error of only 0.2 mph can generate a
physiological state producing energy at the rate needed to sustain riding
at 19.8 mph, which is probably a considerable amount. If you were cruising
along at 5 mph, you would not want to have your heart rate so high, or your
breathing so rapid and deep, or your circulating glucose at such a high
concentration as when you're sustaining a speed of 20 mph. So it's a good
thing your brain is able to adjust the reference levels for activity of
your biochemical systems at the same time it adjusts the reference levels
for motor activities.

Perhaps you were imagining that strenuous or rapid action would require
large errors as a percentage of the reference signal. As you can see, a
high-gain output function makes large error signals unnecessary. When you
notice the pedestrian, I assume there is an error in your system for
avoiding collisions, and the error results in your turning the steering
wheel or slowing down. If the pedestrian is far away, the error remains
almost, but not quite, at zero and the action is slow and moderate. If the
pedestrian appears only 50 feet ahead, the error becomes far larger --
perhaps as much as 10% of the reference signal -- and a very rapid action
takes place with enough force to make sure the car turns or stops in time
to avoid the collision. The reference degree of physical preparedness in
the two cases would roughly correspond to the speed and strength of the
output action, and therefore the intensity of the feeling state would also
vary in the same way. So you might be a little annoyed at seeing the
pedestrian in your path two blocks away, but scared out of your wits at
seeing the pedestrian about to be hit by your car, 50 feet away.

Does this seem reasonable?

Best,

Bill P.

[Martin Taylor 2003.12.22.1546]

[From Bruce Gregory 92003.12.22.1508)]

[From Bruce Gregory (2003.12.22.1421)]

In orthodox PCT or HPCT, error is the difference between a reference
value and its corresponding perceptual value.

This is also true in BGCT.

If you say that in
cycling you normally set the reference level for speed higher, that
means (in orthodox PCT) that if you did not pedal faster, you would
experience bigger error, so you have to pedal faster to keep the
error small.

Quite so.

If you didn't pedal at all, you would have a huge error,

Yes.

and so you need "energetic action" to reduce it to a minimal level.

Really? I thought I would just stop pedaling. Does this count as
"energetic action" in your view?

If you just stopped pedalling, you'd have a huge error, not a minimal
error. PCT says you wouldn't do that with a controlled perception.
You would act so as to minimize the error, which is to say, you would
pedal hard.

You yourself said that you agreed that if you didn't pedal at all
you'd have a huge error. I don't think you can have it both ways.
Stopping pedalling can't reduce the error to a minimal level and also
make the error be huge.

Actually, I think Bill did slightly mis-speak. He should have talked
about a major change in action, rather than a major action. If you
were pedalling hard with no error, and your reference speed dropped
to zero, you'd also have a big error, and a big change in your action
would be necessary (i.e. going from hard pedalling to no pedalling).

Martin

···

On Dec 22, 2003, at 2:48 PM, Martin Taylor wrote:

from [Marc Abrams (2003.12.22.1602]

[From Bruce Gregory (2003.12.22.1537)]

What line? I'm sure you meant to say with the largest error generating
the most action.

Yes.

I don't take exception with what you say, but it seems not to be
relevant to my major claim to fame, namely that the speed at which I
pedal is not related to any error in the system.

Yes, it's the 'error' you percieve of either not going fast enough or
generating enough rpm's for your exercise.

You don't propose a new control theory without expecting to draw fire.

I think your being a bit dramatic here.

Marc

[From Bruce Gregory (2003.12.22.1741)]

[Martin Taylor 2003.12.22.1546]

You yourself said that you agreed that if you didn't pedal at all
you'd have a huge error. I don't think you can have it both ways.

Killjoy!

Stopping pedalling can't reduce the error to a minimal level and also
make the error be huge.

I agree. I said that it did not take a great deal of effort to stop
pedaling.

Actually, I think Bill did slightly mis-speak. He should have talked
about a major change in action, rather than a major action. If you
were pedalling hard with no error, and your reference speed dropped
to zero, you'd also have a big error, and a big change in your action
would be necessary (i.e. going from hard pedalling to no pedalling).

Agreed.

Bruce Gregory

"Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no
one was listening, everything must be said again."

                                                                                Andre Gide

[From Bruce Gregory (2003.12.22.1900)]

Bill Powers (2003.12.22.1311 MST)

Does this seem reasonable?

Sigh. Yes, it does. Back to the drawing board....

Bruce Gregory

"Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no
one was listening, everything must be said again."

                                                                                Andre Gide

[From Bruce Gregory (2003.12.23.1043)]

Bill Powers (2003.12.22.1311 MST)

Yes, this is correct. I might guess that the controlled variable is
your
speed, in this case.

Just for the record, the controlled variable is more likely to be
cadence. You shift gears to maintain your cadence, speed is rarely a
consideration (except when it gets too great going downhill).

Bruce Gregory

"Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no
one was listening, everything must be said again."

                                                                                Andre Gide

[From Bill Powers (2003.12.23.0909 MST)]

Bruce Gregory (2003.12.23.1043)--

Yes, this is correct. I might guess that the controlled variable is
your speed, in this case.

Just for the record, the controlled variable is more likely to be
cadence. You shift gears to maintain your cadence, speed is rarely a
consideration (except when it gets too great going downhill).

I am guessing that cadence is cycling jargon for the repetition rate of the
pedaling cycle. The gear shifting is an interesting means of control,
because it alters the environmental feedback function -- the conversion of
pedaling pressure to propulsive force. So you can control cadence in two
ways -- by varying how hard you push on the pedals, and by varying the gear
ratio.

What is it that you're controlling, then -- is it the pedaling speed or the
amount of force your feet (legs) exert on the pedals? Or is it that you
maintain a constant amount of pedaling force, and use the gearshift to keep
the pedal rotation speed constant? And what about the rate at which you
expend energy?

Hmm. I can see that this is more complicated than it seems at first. Have
you had any technical thoughts about just what all the controlled variables
might be? I'm sure there must be tons of information in the ergonomics
literature.
Or is this like asking the old man if he sleeps with his beard under or
outside the covers? I don't mean to spoil the enjoyment.

Best,

Bill P.

[From Rick Marken (2003.12.23.1000)]

Bill Powers (2003.12.22.1311 MST)--

My theory requires that physiological preparedness for action is generated
as a result of outputs to lower-level systems. A very small error, in a
system with high output gain, can produce a very large output. Under the
conditions of our example, an error of only 0.2 mph can generate a
physiological state producing energy at the rate needed to sustain riding
at 19.8 mph, which is probably a considerable amount. If you were cruising
along at 5 mph, you would not want to have your heart rate so high, or your
breathing so rapid and deep, or your circulating glucose at such a high
concentration as when you're sustaining a speed of 20 mph. So it's a good
thing your brain is able to adjust the reference levels for activity of
your biochemical systems at the same time it adjusts the reference levels
for motor activities.

It seems like there is the possibility here for some really interesting
studies of the relationship between biochemical activity and control. If
preparedness for action (biochemical activity) is proportional to error then
we should see the same level of preparedness for the same amount of error,
regardless of the actual level of output. In the case of bike speed, the
output gain (speed per unit error) can be varied using gears. Doubling the
gear ratio (increasing wheel turns/pedal turns) doubles the output gain
(with respect to speed) so that the same output (speed) is produced with
half the error as before.

So doubling the gear ratio in this way while maintaining the cyclist
maintains the same speed should cut error in half and, thus, reduce the
level of activity of the biochemical systems, even though the cyclist is
still using the same total amount of energy to produce that speed. Is my
reasoning correct about this? If so, is there any evidence that there is a
reduced level of activity of the biochemical systems (lower heart rate,
breathing rate and concentration of circulating glucose) when you double the
error output gain of the cyclist using gears?

Best

Rick

···

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[From Bruce Gregory (2003.12.23.1455)]

Bill Powers (2003.12.23.0909 MST)

I am guessing that cadence is cycling jargon for the repetition rate
of the
pedaling cycle.

Indeed.

The gear shifting is an interesting means of control,
because it alters the environmental feedback function -- the
conversion of
pedaling pressure to propulsive force. So you can control cadence in
two
ways -- by varying how hard you push on the pedals, and by varying the
gear
ratio.

Yes. And I have 27 gears to play with.

What is it that you're controlling, then -- is it the pedaling speed
or the
amount of force your feet (legs) exert on the pedals? Or is it that you
maintain a constant amount of pedaling force, and use the gearshift to
keep
the pedal rotation speed constant? And what about the rate at which you
expend energy?

I try to maintain a constant "perceived effort." The most
energy-efficient cadence is supposed to be between 60 and 90 rpm. My
goal is closer to the lower limit. If I find myself having to exert too
much force to maintain this cadence, I shift to the next lower gear.

Hmm. I can see that this is more complicated than it seems at first.
Have
you had any technical thoughts about just what all the controlled
variables
might be? I'm sure there must be tons of information in the ergonomics
literature.
Or is this like asking the old man if he sleeps with his beard under or
outside the covers? I don't mean to spoil the enjoyment.

Fortunately, my beard is sufficiently short that this is not a problem.

Bruce Gregory

"Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no
one was listening, everything must be said again."

                                                                                Andre Gide

From Bill Powers (2003.12.23.1504 MST%)]

Bruce Gregory (2003.12.23.1455)--

I try to maintain a constant "perceived effort." The most
energy-efficient cadence is supposed to be between 60 and 90 rpm. My
goal is closer to the lower limit. If I find myself having to exert too
much force to maintain this cadence, I shift to the next lower gear.

So, how would we model perceived effort? Is this judged by the forces you
exert (i.e., foot pressure), or by how your muscles feel? When you say "too
much force," does this mean the limit is set in terms of amount of push, or
is it set by the amount of muscle effort you can sustain without feeling tired?

Modeling this down to the last detail could end up being a major project.
Is there some way we can approximate the controlled variable in terms of
the rate at which your body can supply energy, and the energy losses due to
internal friction in muscles? Suppose we said that your body can provide
enough power to exert a total of 55 foot-pounds per second (0.1 horsepower)
indefinitely. Also, we can say that the amount of energy lost in the
muscles depends on how fast the pedals are rotating: the faster they go,
the less energy is left to be applied to the pedals (with some adjustable
constant to set the slope of the relationship). Then we might say that the
preferred level of effort is that which uses 75% of the maximum sustainable
power. When you're using energy faster than that, you start feeling that
you're putting out too much "effort." Does this sound anything like the
truth? I think that these relationships would end up with a solvable set of
equations, but we'd just have to try them and see.

Best,

Bill P.

[Bill Powers (2003.12.23.1530 MST)]

Rick Marken (2003.12.23.1000)

It seems like there is the possibility here for some really interesting
studies of the relationship between biochemical activity and control. If
preparedness for action (biochemical activity) is proportional to error then
we should see the same level of preparedness for the same amount of error,
regardless of the actual level of output. In the case of bike speed, the
output gain (speed per unit error) can be varied using gears. Doubling the
gear ratio (increasing wheel turns/pedal turns) doubles the output gain
(with respect to speed) so that the same output (speed) is produced with
half the error as before.

However, it would require twice the force, and error is more likely related
to pedal force than rotational speed. Rotational speed will more likely be
a controllable consequence of pedal force, wind resistance, grade, and
internal losses due to muscle viscosity, rather than depending directly on
error..

I think it will be necessary to set up some equations that represent the
various relationships with reasonable -- that is, ball-park -- accuracy
before trying to predict what all the interactions will be. It is an
interesting problem. The only question is whether we want to commit the
necessary time to it. Well, the other only question is whether somebody has
already done this analysis and saved us the trouble.

Best,

Bill P.

[From Bruce Gregory (2003.12.25.0719)]

Bill Powers (2003.12.23.1504 MST

Bruce Gregory (2003.12.23.1455)--

I try to maintain a constant "perceived effort." The most
energy-efficient cadence is supposed to be between 60 and 90 rpm. My
goal is closer to the lower limit. If I find myself having to exert
too
much force to maintain this cadence, I shift to the next lower gear.

So, how would we model perceived effort? Is this judged by the forces
you
exert (i.e., foot pressure), or by how your muscles feel? When you say
"too
much force," does this mean the limit is set in terms of amount of
push, or
is it set by the amount of muscle effort you can sustain without
feeling tired?

Modeling this down to the last detail could end up being a major
project.

It sure sounds like it!

Is there some way we can approximate the controlled variable in terms
of
the rate at which your body can supply energy, and the energy losses
due to
internal friction in muscles? Suppose we said that your body can
provide
enough power to exert a total of 55 foot-pounds per second (0.1
horsepower)
indefinitely. Also, we can say that the amount of energy lost in the
muscles depends on how fast the pedals are rotating: the faster they
go,
the less energy is left to be applied to the pedals (with some
adjustable
constant to set the slope of the relationship). Then we might say that
the
preferred level of effort is that which uses 75% of the maximum
sustainable
power. When you're using energy faster than that, you start feeling
that
you're putting out too much "effort." Does this sound anything like the
truth? I think that these relationships would end up with a solvable
set of
equations, but we'd just have to try them and see.

I suspect it represents a model of a competitive cyclist. My own
cycling is not that sustained except when I am going uphill and have to
pedal at somewhere near my maximum output. Otherwise I have bursts of
sustained output followed by recovery periods.

Merry Christmas to all!

Bruce Gregory

"Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no
one was listening, everything must be said again."

                                                                                Andre Gide