Clarification re Dawkins and Me (was RE: PCT and Culture (Ted Cloak presentation))

[From Ted Cloak (2008.04.26.0909 MST)]

If I haven't already said so, anyone is free to use the show for any
legitimate purpose, but not to change it without consulting me.

Dawkins was kind enough to cite my "Is a cultural ethology possible?" (CEP,
1975) in The Selfish Gene, and more extensively in The Extended Phenotype,
and of course I've returned the favor many times.

In CEP I broached the idea that genes and cultural instructions were primary
in evolution. Then, later, Dawkins published a theoretical paper I wrote
about natural selection in Oxford Surveys in Evolutionary Biology (1986), a
journal he edited. So of course we did communicate by snail mail and
telephone at that time. Later we met face to face at a conference in Los
Alamos, NM.

So I'd have to say that we didn't exactly work together, but rather in
parallel.

If the email address I have for him is still good, I'll point him to the
Powerpoint presentation and hope he responds.

Best regards,

Ted

[From Rick Marken (2008.04.24.1020)]

Bill Powers (2008.04.23.2025 MDT)--

Ted Cloak has put together a PowerPoint presentation in which he
introduces PCT to anthropologists and others in the context of
culture acquisition...

This is a magnificent piece of work. There are points I could quibble
about, but all the basic ideas are there, presented in a truly
ingenious way suitable for introducing anyone to PCT.

I have only watched part one so far but I completely concur with this
assessment. I tend to be a little (well, actually a lot) more star
struck than Bill so I am all atwitter about the fact that Ted worked
with Dawkins. I am a big fan of Dawkins for the same reason that I am
a fan of Pinker; I don't always agree with what they say but I love
how they say it. And they are both _very_ bright. If we could get
Dawkins interested in PCT I think that would definitely get people's
attention.

Anyway, the presentation is really great. I would like to show part 1
to my class next week (I'm currently teaching a Freshman Seminar on
"Personal Control" and this presentation is better than any lecture I
could give;-), if that's OK with you, Ted.

Best

Rick

···

--
Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com

[From Ted Cloak (2008.04.26.1935 MST)]

I forgot to mention that I first mentioned B:CP in CEP(see below).

-- And I found an email address for Dawkins and sent along my pitch.

[From Ted Cloak (2008.04.26.0909 MST)]

If I haven't already said so, anyone is free to use the show for any
legitimate purpose, but not to change it without consulting me.

Dawkins was kind enough to cite my "Is a cultural ethology possible?" (CEP,
1975) in The Selfish Gene, and more extensively in The Extended Phenotype,
and of course I've returned the favor many times.

In CEP I broached the idea that genes and cultural instructions were primary
in evolution. Then, later, Dawkins published a theoretical paper I wrote
about natural selection in Oxford Surveys in Evolutionary Biology (1986), a
journal he edited. So of course we did communicate by snail mail and
telephone at that time. Later we met face to face at a conference in Los
Alamos, NM.

So I'd have to say that we didn't exactly work together, but rather in
parallel.

If the email address I have for him is still good, I'll point him to the
Powerpoint presentation and hope he responds.

Best regards,

Ted

[From Rick Marken (2008.04.24.1020)]

Bill Powers (2008.04.23.2025 MDT)--

Ted Cloak has put together a PowerPoint presentation in which he
introduces PCT to anthropologists and others in the context of
culture acquisition...

This is a magnificent piece of work. There are points I could quibble
about, but all the basic ideas are there, presented in a truly
ingenious way suitable for introducing anyone to PCT.

I have only watched part one so far but I completely concur with this
assessment. I tend to be a little (well, actually a lot) more star
struck than Bill so I am all atwitter about the fact that Ted worked
with Dawkins. I am a big fan of Dawkins for the same reason that I am
a fan of Pinker; I don't always agree with what they say but I love
how they say it. And they are both _very_ bright. If we could get
Dawkins interested in PCT I think that would definitely get people's
attention.

Anyway, the presentation is really great. I would like to show part 1
to my class next week (I'm currently teaching a Freshman Seminar on
"Personal Control" and this presentation is better than any lecture I
could give;-), if that's OK with you, Ted.

Best

Rick

···

--
Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com

[From Bill Powers (2008.04.26.2232 MDT)]

Ted Cloak (2008.04.26.1935 MST) --

I forgot to mention that I first mentioned B:CP in CEP(see below).

That has to be one of the earlier citations!

Has it occurred to you yet that the concept of reorganization can be extended to make evolution the result of a capacity of living systems, rather than an effect of external causes?

Best,

Bill P.