Hi Leeanne Wright and Sean Mulligan
(if this gets through the web...haven't had time for CSGnet for a while,
but can't resist your interest in the female aspect of PCT. Any chance I
could see a sample of ...I thought I saw something about a PCT course, but
it vanished in a flash. But..just.maybe I was feeling a book coming on.
Best,
Alice Powers MCELHONE
···
Hi Sean,
The way that individuals perceive ‘control’ is certainly
context-driven. I think that's why it's imperative that an operational
definition of control is right at the beginning of any PCT conversation.
I suspect that unless two (or more) people are in agreement over what they
mean by ‘control’ they will be talking at odds and ends with all sorts
of miscommunication occurring….
Cheers on Sydney.
Leeanne
On 29 May 2017, at 8:30 pm, Sean Mulligan >> <lack.of.inspiration@gmail.com> wrote:
[Sean Mulligan 2017.05.29.19.55]
It is an interesting question. Perhaps "control" was off putting to more
liberal/feminist subgroups that saw it as an enemy to freedom. That
seems to have died down a bit now. When I mention control to female
clients (coaching clients from a wide range of professions), they are
attracted rather than repelled. They desire control, and they don't see
it in terms of masculine or feminine norms or roles. My wife
(solicitor) has found the same thing counselling her female team
members, in fact she was the one that pointed it out to me.
BTW - Leeanne if you are ever in Syd and need a PCT fix then drop me a
txt. We can discuss it over bad coffee. I've been told I'm considerably
less of a bastard in person. It would be interesting to test that
experimentally
Cheers,
Sean Mulligan
M# 0459278195
lack.of.inspiration@gmail.com <mailto:lack.of.inspiration@gmail.com>
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Wright Family >> <jlws.wright@optusnet.com.au <mailto:jlws.wright@optusnet.com.au>> >> wrote:
[Leeanne Wright (2017.05.29)]
Dear Martin,
LW: Sorry to butt in here but I was just skimming through my emails and
your questions about PCT and females caught my eye.
>>
> MT: Thanks for that. As a long-retired person who was never a part of
team research with more than three in the team, I tend to forget the
benefits of face-to-face argument as compared to electronic
interaction.
LW: I am in Australia too (Brisbane) and I do miss face-to-face
conversation with others about PCT.
MT: I remember when I was working regularly, trying to tell a
lunch-table of three female colleagues about PCT. Their unanimous
opinion was "Control? That's such a male thing." What proportion of PCT
papers have female authors? How many women contribute to CSGnet? The
answer to the latter question is "very few other than Bill's family" and
they post very seldom. I suspect there's a similar answer to the first
question, too. Why? What are they controlling for that is so disturbed
by the word "control" that they mostly don't see past it? Could the
on-line course somehow avoid creating that particular disturbance, if
indeed there is a similar perception being controlled in most women?
LW: I can’t speak for other females but I have never, ever thought of
PCT in those terms. You raise a point that I had personally never
thought of before. It did occur to me once that there don’t seem to
be many females involved in conversations or research about PCT. I am
not sure why this is the case. Perhaps there is a bit more awareness
about PCT among females in the education sphere. I know there are still
some schools that seem to being basing their ‘philosophy’ on
PCT…although I don’t know how much research based on PCT has been
done in the education sphere?
>
Regards
Leeanne
Sean might be the man you are looking for regarding a course. I am passionate about learning more about PCT! The more I learn the more I realise I need to learn!! I am still a student (only at Psychology Honours stage) and have neither the expertise nor authority to contribute to a book at the moment that anyone in their right mind would be interested in reading ;). Until this thread popped up I had never really thought that PCT might be perceived differently from a female perspective. It’s interesting to think that the term ‘control’ might be off-putting to women but attractive to men�. I suspect, however, that it has more to doo with how you are introduced to PCT (and by whom)�.
As I am new to all this I’m not aware of any backstory with regard to female participation in PCT research. There seems to be no doubt however, when I stop to think about it, that it is a very male-dominated field… Food for thought�.
Warm regards
Leeanne
···
On 30 May 2017, at 8:59 am, apmce@benchpress.com wrote:
[Leeanne Wright (2017.05.30.08.13)]
Hi Leeanne Wright and Sean Mulligan
(if this gets through the web...haven't had time for CSGnet for a while,
but can't resist your interest in the female aspect of PCT. Any chance I
could see a sample of ...I thought I saw something about a PCT course, but
it vanished in a flash. But..just.maybe I was feeling a book coming on.
Best,
Alice Powers MCELHONE
Hi Sean,
The way that individuals perceive âcontrolâ is certainly
context-driven. I think that's why it's imperative that an operational
definition of control is right at the beginning of any PCT conversation.
I suspect that unless two (or more) people are in agreement over what they
mean by âcontrolâ they will be talking at odds and ends with all sorts
of miscommunication occurringâ¦.
Cheers on Sydney.
Leeanne
On 29 May 2017, at 8:30 pm, Sean Mulligan >>> <lack.of.inspiration@gmail.com> wrote:
[Sean Mulligan 2017.05.29.19.55]
It is an interesting question. Perhaps "control" was off putting to more
liberal/feminist subgroups that saw it as an enemy to freedom. That
seems to have died down a bit now. When I mention control to female
clients (coaching clients from a wide range of professions), they are
attracted rather than repelled. They desire control, and they don't see
it in terms of masculine or feminine norms or roles. My wife
(solicitor) has found the same thing counselling her female team
members, in fact she was the one that pointed it out to me.
BTW - Leeanne if you are ever in Syd and need a PCT fix then drop me a
txt. We can discuss it over bad coffee. I've been told I'm considerably
less of a bastard in person. It would be interesting to test that
experimentally
Cheers,
Sean Mulligan
M# 0459278195
lack.of.inspiration@gmail.com <mailto:lack.of.inspiration@gmail.com>
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Wright Family >>> <jlws.wright@optusnet.com.au <mailto:jlws.wright@optusnet.com.au>> >>> wrote:
[Leeanne Wright (2017.05.29)]
Dear Martin,
LW: Sorry to butt in here but I was just skimming through my emails and
your questions about PCT and females caught my eye.
MT: Thanks for that. As a long-retired person who was never a part of
team research with more than three in the team, I tend to forget the
benefits of face-to-face argument as compared to electronic
interaction.
LW: I am in Australia too (Brisbane) and I do miss face-to-face
conversation with others about PCT.
MT: I remember when I was working regularly, trying to tell a
lunch-table of three female colleagues about PCT. Their unanimous
opinion was "Control? That's such a male thing." What proportion of PCT
papers have female authors? How many women contribute to CSGnet? The
answer to the latter question is "very few other than Bill's family" and
they post very seldom. I suspect there's a similar answer to the first
question, too. Why? What are they controlling for that is so disturbed
by the word "control" that they mostly don't see past it? Could the
on-line course somehow avoid creating that particular disturbance, if
indeed there is a similar perception being controlled in most women?
LW: I canât speak for other females but I have never, ever thought of
PCT in those terms. You raise a point that I had personally never
thought of before. It did occur to me once that there donât seem to
be many females involved in conversations or research about PCT. I am
not sure why this is the case. Perhaps there is a bit more awareness
about PCT among females in the education sphere. I know there are still
some schools that seem to being basing their âphilosophyâ on
PCTâ¦although I donât know how much research based on PCT has been
done in the education sphere?
