CSG Conference

April 25, 1998

                              1998 CONFERENCE

                         THE CONTROL SYSTEMS GROUP

                    WEDNESDAY, JULY 15 to SUNDAY, JULY 19

                     VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA

The Control Systems Group has met annually since 1985 to discuss theoretical
and practical applications of PERCEPTUAL CONTROL THEORY (PCT) in the
behavioral, social, and life sciences. This is a small and informal
meeting, open to anyone interested in PCT who wants to present work or
ideas, or who simply wants to listen and learn.

The 1998 CSG conference will begin Wednesday evening, July 15, and end
Sunday morning, July 19. It is being held at the University of British
Columbia (UBC). The first meeting will be Wednesday evening. At that time
we find out who wants to talk about what, and set up a schedule bunching
more or less connected topics together. There is usually time for a talk
that evening. The next meetings are mornings and evenings, with afternoons
free. The afternoons are used by some for recreation, while others get and
give tutorials, read, etc. We ask people who want to present material to
bring relevant papers that can be read in advance of their talks, so that
presentations are discussions rather than lectures.

On Saturday evening, we will have a dinner off campus in downtown Vancouver.
The conference closes Sunday morning with checkout and people meeting
informally.

SETTING
UBC campus is only a few kilometers from the airport and downtown Vancouver.
It is surrounded by forested parkland and miles of beaches. Attractions on
campus include the UBC Botanical Garden, the world famous Museum of
Anthropology, and Nitobe Japanese Garden.

CONFERENCE FEES
Conference fees will include coffee breaks, a Saturday night dinner/social,
and annual membership in the Control Systems Group.

Total Conference Fees (not including accommodation or meals): $80 US -
$115 CAN

One day attendance $25 US - $35 CAN

Saturday Evening Dinner/Social $20 US - $30 CAN

WAIVER of FEES
Students and others whose finances are limited can apply for a full or
partial waiver of conference fees. Some help with travel costs may also be
available. Contact Mary Powers at 73 Ridge Place, Durango CO 81301-8136, or
at (970) 247-7986, or at powers_w@frontier.net for details on assistance.

NO SMOKING
Smoking is not permitted in any building on campus. This includes sleeping
rooms.

MEALS
Meals are not covered by the conference fees. Conference attendees are
responsible for their own meals. A variety of restaurants and cafeterias
are available on campus. Coffee breaks and the Saturday dinner are covered
by the conference fees.

ACCOMMODATION

Walter Gage Residence - University of British Columbia
(4 nights - Check in Wed. July 14 - Check out Sunday morning, July 15)
15% TAX INCLUDED

1. BASIC - single lockable bedrooms in a complex of 6 with shared living
    area, bath, and kitchenette (no utensils/cutlery)

$27 US -- $38 CAN per night

2. SINGLE STUDIO APARTMENTS - with single bed, private shower, sitting area, and
    equipped kitchenette

$58 US -- $80 CAN per night

3. SMALL SUITE with kitchenette, a double bed in one bedroom and a single bed
    in another, bath, living area, and equipped kitchenette.
     (These are currently all spoken for.)

$82 US -- $115 CAN per night - double occupancy
$90 US -- $125 CAN per night - triple occupancy

4. APARTMENT SUITE with 2 single beds in the bedroom and a double fold out
bed in
     the living room, private bath, kitchen, cable TV, and phone.

$100 US -- $140 CAN per night

5. OTHER - Other rooms and double suites (maybe even cheaper) in other
residences
    may become available.

Note: Parking is free for all guests of Walter Gage Residence.

CONFIRMATION
Due to the range and availability of accommodation, contact me by phone or
e-mail to confirm your registration/accommodation status before sending your
payment.

PAYMENT
Payment in full for those requiring on campus accommodation is required by
June 15, 1998. I request you send your payment by MAY 30, 1998 to provide
time for your check to clear. If at all possible, please send your payment
in the form of a bank draft/money order (US funds are fine) so it will clear
quickly.

Remember to mail first class to Canada - US $.46 stamp.

Make check payable to Autumn Winter.

LATE REGISTRATION
As accommodation must be paid in full by June 15, 1998, accommodation cannot
be guaranteed if you register late. Some rooms may still be available, so
contact me directly. I request all those not requiring on campus
accommodation to pay conference fees by June 30, 1998.

···

____________________________________________________________________

REGISTRATION - Control Systems Group - 1998 North America Conference

If you are committed to attending the conference or have any questions or
comments, contact me directly.

Autumn Winter
CSG Conference Co-ordinator
#205 - 2020 Haro Street
Vancouver, BC
Canada
V6G 1J3

E-Mail: autumn@istar.ca

Ph: (604) 683-0059
          (604) 618-7412

A complete registration requires the following:

1. Name(s) attending conference:

2. Name of guest(s) requiring accommodation:

3. Names of guests attending Saturday Dinner

4. Address:

5. Home Phone:

6. Work Phone:

7. E-Mail Address:

8. Requested Accommodation including number/dates of nights:

Please make check (money order/ bank draft) out to: ($.46 US postage)

Autumn Winter
#202 - 2020 Haro Street
Vancouver, BC
Canada
V6G 1J3

[From Bill Powers (980426.0722 MDT)]

3. SMALL SUITE with kitchenette, a double bed in one bedroom and a single bed
   in another, bath, living area, and equipped kitchenette.
    (These are currently all spoken for.)

$82 US -- $115 CAN per night - double occupancy
$90 US -- $125 CAN per night - triple occupancy

In the U.S., "double occupancy" means that this is the price for _each
person_. In other words, for Mary and me the price woulde be $164 U.S. per
night. Is this what you mean?

Best,

Bill P.

[from Autumn Winter (980429.1100 pt)]

I just now realized the following was posted to the whole CSG net

[From Bill Powers (980426.0722 MDT)]

3. SMALL SUITE with kitchenette, a double bed in one bedroom and a single bed
   in another, bath, living area, and equipped kitchenette.
    (These are currently all spoken for.)

$82 US -- $115 CAN per night - double occupancy
$90 US -- $125 CAN per night - triple occupancy

In the U.S., "double occupancy" means that this is the price for _each
person_. In other words, for Mary and me the price woulde be $164 U.S. per
night. Is this what you mean?

Some clarification for Americans :wink:

$82 US is the total price per night for two people.

$90 US is the total price per night for three people.

Cheers,

autumn

17-Jun-98

CONTROL SYSTEMS GROUP CONFERENCE

The annual conference for the Control Systems Group will be held in
Vancouver, Canada on the campus of the University of British Columbia (UBC)
from Wednesday, July 15 to Sunday, July 19. (4 nights accommodation:
July 15 - 18)

Some accommodation is still available on campus, but I can't hold any rooms
after June 15 and there are no guarantees rooms will continue to be available.

If you plan on attending the conference you can contact me and I will try to
arrange on campus accommodation for you. You can also phone the UBC
Conference Centre directly at (604) 822-1010. You are required to supply
your Visa or MasterCard number to hold your accommodation.

Conference Fees, excluding accommodation and meals, are $80 USD - $115 CAD.

Make checks for conference fees out to me and mail to:

Autumn Winter
#205 - 2020 Haro Street
Vancouver, BC
Canada V6G 1J3

Let me know if you require further details about the conference.

Cheers,

autumn

Ph: (604) 683-0059
E-mail: autumn@istar.ca

Hello Bruce,

Actually the Powers don't have an extra bedroom in their suite, but Dag &
Cristine Forssell do. I was just talking to Dag and he is offering you his
extra room in their suite for the 4 nights.

You have your accommodation and your conference fees covered by CSG. All I
need is for you to e-mail me your snail mail address and phone number(s) for
the records.

I will be mailing out some other conference info. in about a week.

Cheers,

autumn

What are sensible fly-in and fly-out dates for the conference? I'm having
trouble booking a flight, 7/14 and 7/15 are unavailable for frequent flier
miles credit.

I got a flight Tuesday 7/14 arriving 11:55 AM, departing Monday 7/20 12:45
noon. I hope this is workable regarding accommodations.

  Bruce Nevin

···

At 02:16 PM 6/21/98 -0700, I wrote:

What are sensible fly-in and fly-out dates for the conference?

Hello Bruce,

Wednesday is the ideal fly-in day as we will have our first meeting on
Wednesday evening, and it makes sense to fly-out out Sunday, July 19. It
seems like you have your Sunday flight no problem.

Let me know if you have arranged a flight on July 14 or 15.

I would be glad to put you up overnight at my place, if you get in a day or
two earlier because of flights. Can you get a flight on Monday, July 13 from AA.

Keep me posted.

cheers,

autumn

···

What are sensible fly-in and fly-out dates for the conference? I'm having
trouble booking a flight, 7/14 and 7/15 are unavailable for frequent flier
miles credit.

Thanks for your offer to put me up! You are very kind.

As you have seen from subsequent email, I am

  arriving Tuesday 7/14 11:55 midday
  departing Monday 7/21 12:45 midday

Will that work?

I assume the conference information will tell me about shuttle or whatever
from and to the airport, but the instructions will be a bit different if I
arrive a day early and leave a day late and your place is not on campus. I
could change the dates for a $75 fee.

  Bruce Nevin

PS--
I'm sure you've heard it before, but I have to say, I'm utterly charmed by
your name.

Hello Bruce,

Wednesday is the ideal fly-in day as we will have our first meeting on
Wednesday evening, and it makes sense to fly-out out Sunday, July 19. It
seems like you have your Sunday flight no problem.

Let me know if you have arranged a flight on July 14 or 15.

I would be glad to put you up overnight at my place, if you get in a day or
two earlier because of flights. Can you get a flight on Monday, July 13

from AA.

···

At 10:11 AM 6/22/98 -0700, autumn winter wrote:

Keep me posted.

cheers,

autumn

What are sensible fly-in and fly-out dates for the conference? I'm having
trouble booking a flight, 7/14 and 7/15 are unavailable for frequent flier
miles credit.

Hi Fred --

Hi Rick. We can have overhead projection, flip charts, TV for free.
To rent a projection devise which can translate lap top programs onto a
screen we have to pay $75/day.

I think it might be worth it. It depends on how many people might give
presentations via computer. But we just need it for 3 days. I think there is
enough in the CSG treasury to handle the $225 that it would cost.

I'm copy this to CSGNet to see what those attending the meeting think. All
those out there who would like to have a laptop projector at the meeting say
"ay".

If we get more than 3 "ays" I say we go with it for sure.

The directions to get to Aqueduct can be found on their web site at
www.aqueduct.citysearch.com
I will have information on local attractions and things for spouses, etc. to
do when you get here.

Thanks Fred. Those of you who are attending the meeting should check out this
site.

Best regards

Rick

···

--
Richard S. Marken
MindReadings.com
marken@mindreadings.com
310 474-0313

[From Bill Powers (2002.07.20.1833 MDT)]

Rick Marken (2002.07.20) --

I'm copy this to CSGNet to see what those attending the meeting think. All

those out there who would like to have a laptop projector at the meeting say
"ay"

Ay from me.

Best,

Bill P.

Ay three - for any internet connection that we may want to view in large
group. It's a valuable resource.
Thanks.

Bruce Nevin wrote:

···

Ay agree. It will make a big difference in the number of people who
can see
demos, presentations, and tutorials at the same time (not to mention much
more comfortably than craning over someone's shoulder).

        /Bruce

At 02:31 PM 7/20/2002 -0700, Richard Marken wrote:

Hi Fred --

> Hi Rick. We can have overhead projection, flip charts, TV for free.
> To rent a projection devise which can translate lap top programs onto a
> screen we have to pay $75/day.

I think it might be worth it. It depends on how many people might give
presentations via computer. But we just need it for 3 days. I think
there is
enough in the CSG treasury to handle the $225 that it would cost.

I'm copy this to CSGNet to see what those attending the meeting
think. All
those out there who would like to have a laptop projector at the
meeting say
"ay".

If we get more than 3 "ays" I say we go with it for sure.

> The directions to get to Aqueduct can be found on their web site at
> www.aqueduct.citysearch.com
> I will have information on local attractions and things for spouses,
etc. to
> do when you get here.

Thanks Fred. Those of you who are attending the meeting should check
out this
site.

Best regards

Rick

--
Richard S. Marken
MindReadings.com
marken@mindreadings.com
310 474-0313

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[From Kenny Kitzke (990821.1000EDT)]

<Hank Folson (990820.1800)>

<Of course, it could be a case of a self-selected sample: Only purposeful
living control systems, for their own reasons, attend the meetings, while
the S-R based humans aren't "stimulated" to come. ;-)>

I had a reference perception for attending. The rest of my lower control
systems got me there.

Here are some questions for you:

1) Is it true you had no reference perception for attending; or did you have
one but your lower control systems failed?

2) What level in the hierarchy is the reference level for attending or not
attending?

3) Would there have been any conceivable aspect about the 1999 conference
that would have had you establish a reference for attending?

4) Same question for the 2000 conference?

Thanks for some answers.

Kenny

[From Kenny Kitzke (9990821.1200EDT)]

<Hank Folson 9990821.0800)>

<I don't know why you asked the questions.>

Of course you don't. How could you? So do you control for not answering
questions when you don't know why people ask them?

<I see no connection to my post (which is okay).>

I am much relieved it is OK with you. I looked back at your post to try to
see what connection it had to the topic about the conference, its content,
structure, purpose, promotion, process and attendees and the "organizer."

<<<Of course, it could be a case of a self-selected sample: Only purposeful

living control systems, for their own reasons, attend the meetings, while
the S-R based humans aren't "stimulated" to come. ;-)>>>

Was this meant to be profound or funny? Is the ";-)" the give away that I
missed? I am sorry I may have took your post as serious and felt it might be
useful to learn why CSG net posters don't attend the conference. That's all
there is.

1) Is it true you had no reference perception for attending; or did you have
one but your lower control systems failed?

<Neither is true, in this case. (A higher level resolved an internal
conflict.)>

Do you mean that a higher level control system removed your reference for
attending? You had one but it went away when the higher level had to resolve
the disturbance that attending made to other perceptions? So being resolved
means you still had the reference for attending but it did not matter?

2) What level in the hierarchy is the reference level for attending or not
attending?

<I don't know why you ask this question. In any event, I have no interest
in figuring out what levels were involved.>

The HPCT models as proffered by Powers has 11 Levels. I am trying to figure
out if that model is valid. If it matters not to you, it's OK.

<>3) Would there have been any conceivable aspect about the 1999 conference

that would have had you establish a reference for attending?

<Yes. You do realize that one could substitute almost any subject in that
question to almost anyone, and get a "yes" answer?>

The "almosts" make your point moot. There are many answers for no. It was
the weekend my daughter was to be married. I was speaking at a scientific
conference in Brussels. Etc. If you answer is yes, I thought it might be
some good information to find out what aspect of the conference would have
caused your higher level to resolve the conflict you had in the conference
favor. Such insights might influence how the conference is "organized" or
promoted and help more practitioners decide show up. I find more people
worthwhile, whether anyone else wants more than 17 people there or not.

Hope you understand my controlling a bit better. If not, feel free to not
respond. That will be OK with me.

Kenny

from Ed Ford (951105.evening)

Pat Brady, the CSG 1996 Conference chairman, has informed me he has heard
from Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff and they have officially
notified him that we have reservations for not more than 35 people. He was
told the official contract would be sent along with others in January, 1996.
So the conference will definitely be held in Flagstaff at NAU beginning
Wednesday, July 17th through Sunday morning, July 21st. Best, Ed.

i.kurtzer (951107.1230)

from Ed Ford (951105.evening)

Pat Brady, the CSG 1996 Conference chairman, has informed me he has heard
from Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff and they have officially
notified him that we have reservations for not more than 35 people. He was
told the official contract would be sent along with others in January, 1996.
So the conference will definitely be held in Flagstaff at NAU beginning
Wednesday, July 17th through Sunday morning, July 21st. Best, Ed.

this sounds wonderful with the exception of the "for not more than 35
persons" qualification. i realize that previous conferences were not
known for an over-abundance of participants, but would hope that if for
some strange quirk of nature it did happen--like certain professorial types
getting off their cabooses and bringing some interested graduate or
undergraduate students--there would be available space. never mind, i
forgot that we will all live forever and that science does not require a
tradition. please excuse the delusional burst.

deluded
i.

···

Edward E. Ford (0005913466@MCIMAIL.COM) wrote:

from Ed Ford (951107)

Pat Brady tells me he gave NAU the figure of 35 cause we've never in 11
years been that high. If we did go over it, and they had the room, there
would be no problem. He just gave them a ball park figure. Those who have
problems with what we do this year are automatically being put on the
"candidates who've volunteered to host the 1997 conference list". Best, Ed.

i.kurtzer (951107.2130)

from Ed Ford (951107)

Pat Brady tells me he gave NAU the figure of 35 cause we've never in 11
years been that high. If we did go over it, and they had the room, there
would be no problem. He just gave them a ball park figure. Those who have
problems with what we do this year are automatically being put on the
"candidates who've volunteered to host the 1997 conference list". Best, Ed.

i wasn't really complaining to you or Mr. Brady so much. in fact, i
appreciate his willingness to put up with this chore that mary has had to
deal with for so long. i was just lightly poking some unnamed
professorial types on the consistant dearth of attending students.
being in the position to find bright students who might find such a
pursuit intellectually enjoyable i'm suprised at how they are typically
unaccompanied. on this i can be no more sincere. i find it a royal pain
in the arse that i am continually alone as a cohort of one. (actually
Chris Kitske attended last year, and i think he's a fine guy; also, Le
Edna and company might socially qualify as adolesent party-animals but
still). in short, please professorial types (AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE)
please, please feel more than free to bring some young-blood. we need a
tradition and we need it now.

i.

···

Edward E. Ford (0005913466@MCIMAIL.COM) wrote:

[From Rick Marken (951108.0900)]

i.kurtzer (951107.2130) --

i was just lightly poking some unnamed professorial types on the consistant
dearth of attending students. being in the position to find bright students
who might find such a pursuit intellectually enjoyable i'm suprised at how
they are typically unaccompanied.

An exceptionally good "poke". Isaac. So good that I think it merits some
underlining, if not some capitalization;-)

The future of PCT as a _scientific_ discipline is in the hands of those who
have remained in academia and are in a position to lead students in
undergraduate and graduate research projects based on PCT. Since there is
currently no significant amount of life science curriculum (that I know of)
based on PCT, the best place for students to learn PCT (besides from their
professor and through participation on the net) is at CSG meetings.

I hope the "unnamed professorial types" will take Isaac's concerns to heart
and make an effort to "bring some young-blood" to the next meeting.

Best

Rick